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How to become a qualified lawyer in Malaysia?

December 7th, 2007 · 442 Comments


Do you know the path of becoming a lawyer in Malaysia? Let me share with you briefly, so that you can share with someone who is interested to be a lawyer.

The 1st step is to obtain a law degree i.e. LLB (Hons) from the recognised universities. You may obtain the list of the relevant universities from Legal Profession Qualifying Board Malaysia or from the Malaysian Bar website.

Thereafter, you may choose to take up a Bar Vocational Course in England and be called to English Bar or choose to come back to Malaysia to sit for a qualifying exam in order to obtain a Certificate in Legal Practice (CLP). However, for those who have obtained a law degree from UM or NUS (or such person who has possessed the relevant qualification as stipulated by the laws), they are not required to sit for neither of the abovementioned exams.

The Future Leaders 

As soon as you has passed all the requisite exam, you are expected to undergo a 9 months training commonly known as chambering (The official name is pupillage). This is the period where one is exposed to the “real law” world. I bet all the lawyers will not forget this plight period in their practising journey. As a pupil or so called chambie, you are expected to work as hard as a qualified lawyer (or most of the times even harder) with NO salary.

Hah…is it true? yes, you are not entitled to any salary during this period, however, the law firm will pay you a remunaration in form of allowance, the sum of which is as low as a street cleaner’s salary (of course, now a day, may be chambie is getting more than that). The market rate for the allowance in my time ranging from RM300 to RM500 per month. But for those who is lucky enough to get into big firm then they will get about RM700 to RM1,000 allowance per month.

While serving the 9 months “cheap labour”, you will still need to sit through some exams conducted by Malaysian Bar and partake in Malaysian Bar legal aid programme before you can be called to the Malaysian Bar and become a qualified lawyer.

So, are you still interested to be a lawyer now? of course, on another hand, there are also many sweet memories which still linger in my mind while I was serving my pupillage in chamber.

You may also be interested to read:

The Requirements of Getting Called to the Singapore Bar (Part 1)

Common Bar Exam

Tags: Chambering

442 responses so far ↓

  • 1 pablopabla // Dec 7, 2007 at 5:08 pm

    Take a lawyer’s advice here :

    Forget about wanting to become a lawyer if you think it is glamourous, respectable or high-paying. If you have just finished your A-levels or STPM or equivalent and thinking of studying law, get attached to a law firm for 2 or 3 months and work (general clerk) whilst asking for the opportunity to follow the lawyers to court. See the real working life of a lawyer. Many new lawyers are disillusioned when they found out that it is unlike L.A. Law and coupled with the fact that the judiciary system is now the butt of jokes, it can be depressing.

    But if you love law so much, go ahead :D

  • 2 Kitkat // Dec 8, 2007 at 1:56 am

    I was disillusioned by Bill Gates, I tot I could be as rich as him by dropping out of school!

  • 3 June // Dec 8, 2007 at 6:44 am

    For those who choose to study law, becoming a corporate counsel is not a bad alternative to pactice. Money’s good (often better), can be ‘glamorous’ (depending on the type of company you’re working for), and the work is interesting. If you get to work for a boss with loads of practice experience like I did, you’ll learn helluvalot about the law.

    He’ll probably torture you though like he would a chambering student…heh heh. But at least your pay would help ease your pain.

    I know many lawyers who left practice for the corporate scene because they’d become disillusioned after experiencing the real thing. Now they swear making the move was the best thing they ever did for their careers.

    So, for those who aren’t sure about taking the professional exam, working 9 months on a street cleaner’s pay and eventually joining an extremely competitive and not-as-glamorous line of work, I’m telling you there’s another way to go. :-)

  • 4 Edward // Dec 8, 2007 at 2:15 pm

    Not a subject for a lazy bump like me to study :razz:

  • 5 yogi // Dec 8, 2007 at 5:19 pm

    It seems many lawyers in Malaysia make very little money. Seems like a lot of hard work for very little pay off. I would recommend when starting uni or doing chambering to do some blogging and learn from Internet gurus like John Reese and Joel Comm. Then at least you have a backup if you get tired of doing law.

  • 6 menj // Dec 10, 2007 at 4:50 pm

    I almost took up law myself but what I am earning now is certainly more than a lawyer’s pay!

  • 7 Eddie Law // Dec 11, 2007 at 5:33 pm

    Pablo Pabla- thanks for your honest advice. I think all the students so practise that.

    Kikat – I am sure one day you will be another “Bill Kat”.

    June- your valued opinion is appreciated.

    Edward – I think you are a hardworking blogger.

    Yogi – so sad, blog wasn’t created when I was doing chambering.

    menj – hahahah….of course, you are a great blogger now!

  • 8 How to choose a legal firm for chambering? // Feb 13, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    [...] mentioned in my previous post, chambering is a period where you must undergo before becoming a qualified [...]

  • 9 Lee Shih // Feb 20, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Chambering pay in the larger KL firms have now increased significantly I feel. My time, about 3 years back, the norm was about RM1000.

    Now, the market rate has crept past the Rm1500 mark, and some firms are already paying anywhere from Rm2000-2500 per month for pupillage allowance.

  • 10 Eddie Law // Feb 21, 2008 at 12:12 am

    Yes, you are right as recently I have heard the same thing too from some UM law students.

  • 11 Stanley // Mar 17, 2008 at 2:44 am

    can anyone tell me the salary structure from a legal assistant to partner?thank you

  • 12 Eddie Law // Mar 17, 2008 at 9:46 am

    Stanley – the salary of a LA will vary from town to town. In KL, I think most firms are paying around RM2,500/month for the 1st year lawyer. However, I heard some firms are even paying close to RM3,000/month.

    As for partner position, it is totally depend on the negotiation bewteen the firm and the partner.

  • 13 Wee // Mar 24, 2008 at 2:20 am

    i heard that partners in large firm in Malaysia can have a profit sharing of million ringgit annually eventhough some of them are junior partners.How true is this?

  • 14 sleepig // Apr 17, 2008 at 11:26 am

    Is it possible for those who don’t have degree in law and yet have been working in legal firms for quite some time, to become lawyers? What are the requirements?

  • 15 Eddie Law // Apr 17, 2008 at 11:57 am

    sleepig-I don’t think so as the law does not set any examption for those who work in law firm.

  • 16 Eddie Law // Apr 17, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Wee- you are asking a wrong person as I have not been a partner in a law firm before. But every thing is possible, who knows!

  • 17 sleepig // Apr 18, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Thanks Eddie for the reply.

  • 18 Ying // May 3, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    RM2500 per month for a first year LA is just not great…! I think Malaysian lawyers are being exploited. The rules against foreign firms setting up in Malaysia protect a wealthy few – they know that allowing entry to international firms would see them have to really compete and salaries would soar in Malaysia. For the past several years, corporate and finance lawyers have been in demand all over the world – just not in insular Malaysia! Yes, the party is just about over in some markets like London but global firms in Hong Kong and China are still looking for lawyers and many Malaysian lawyers are talented, well-educated and have the right skill set. As a Malaysian-born lawyer now practising overseas I feel I am getting great experience and am very happy with pay, so my humble advice to young lawyers is to strike out to other parts of Asia as early as you can. We are lucky to practise a profession that gives us mobile exportable skills – in a globalised workforce, it should give you a leg up. So please don’t slog away in a jurisdiction that prevents you from taking advantage of this!

  • 19 Eddie Law // May 4, 2008 at 12:33 am

    Ying – yes, I agree with you. The pay in overseas is really great. I heard a lawyer in his 4th year is getting HK$80,000 per month (=RM40K). Don’t know if this is true?

  • 20 Ying // May 4, 2008 at 4:32 am

    Hi Eddie – yes, HK80,000 per month is possible for a 4th year with the right experience , especially if they speak Mandarin and/or Cantonese. You should note that firms will adjust the experience of any non-US or UK lawyer, depending on the work they have done, their language skills and the firm they were with previously (international firms clearly preferred) – so they may take some years off a Malaysian lawyer’s experience. In my experience though, the pay can still be worth it. This is one of the reasons why I suggested that Malaysian lawyers should go overseas as early as possible. It will be more painful to be penalised for “Malaysian” experience when you are 5 or 6 years qualified than 1 or 2 years.

    By the way – good blog! Hope you keep it up. I have not found any other blogs like this about Malaysian law firms.

  • 21 Eddie Law // May 4, 2008 at 11:00 am

    Ying- thanks for your credit. Just curious, which country are you in now? Should one intends to go to work at overseas law firm, will they be practising as foreign lawyer or paralegal?

  • 22 Ying // May 4, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    I’m working in Shanghai. Overseas lawyers in my firm all practise as foreign lawyers (we have Singaporeans and Malaysians – interesting that none of the Malaysians hold law degrees from Malaysian universities whilst the Singaporeans are mainly NUS grads). If one is very junior (e.g. 1st or 2nd year), one may be offered a trainee position which will lead to becoming a foreign lawyer.

  • 23 Deepak // May 24, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    I want to ask a question…

    I have completed my Law in May’2007 from a Law College in Bangalore, India. I am also a registered member of the State Bar Council. Can I come to Malaysia and practice Law. What are the rules that I have to comply with and what is the procedure to come there to work? Can you please guide me?

    Thanking you in anticipation…

  • 24 Anonymous // May 27, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Hi,

    Good site!

    On going in-house – the pay might be better in the short run but there is often a glass ceiling (even if you are in-house counsel for a MNC). Lawyers that remain in legal practice and make partner in a well established law firm will often draw more in the long run. As in-house counsel, you are company man and will be expected to toe the line – so much for being independent and insisting on doing what is right.

    On practice overseas – yes, if you are a swinging bachelor or do not have many family obligations – go ahead. The exposure is good but pls bear in mind that after practising abroad for many years, the viability of returning to Malaysia to practice diminishes with each passing year.

    The medium size and large firms in Malaysia have got good work. It’s just a matter of getting a place in the right firm under the right boss.

    FYI, I’m a corporate lawyer in one of the larger medium size firms in KL. I do cross-border transactions with M&A deals in Australia, Vietnam, Singapore and Indonesia in this year alone. I have advised and drafted legislation for the Government of Malaysia and is engaged in lobbying work. I made partner in my 6th year and dare say that I am now comfortable .

    Reason as to why I am disclosing the above – it’s not to gloat but to let on that legal practice in Malaysia is not all that bad. There is good work out there. There are good firms out there. There are good bosses out there. You just need to be tenacious, have a good head on your shoulders and be prepared to slog. Nothing comes free in life.

  • 25 Eddie Law // May 28, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Deepak – Unfortunately I don’t think our law regconised lawyers who are called by Indian Bar and no foreign lawyer is allowed to practise in Malaysia at the moment. If you really want to practise law in Malaysia, the best palce to check with is the Malaysian Bar Council.

    However, it is much more easier for your to work as an in-house lawyer in Malaysia.

    Anonymous Partner – I salute you, I know it is not easy for a young guy with 6th years experience to be made a partner espacially in a medium size firm.

    (I can image how comfortable you are now….hahah!)

    I guess, Malaysian lawyers working at overseas is a global tendency now, I got a personal friend who has just secured an in-house position in HK and she is going there tomorrow..hahaha.

    Undeniable the salary or income derive from practising here is very much lower than overseas due to living standard.

    In term of exposure, it is not depend on the country that one works but the law firm that one joins. Do you agree?

  • 26 Anonymous // May 28, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Eddie,

    The legal profession in Malaysia has long been underpaid especially if you are working in the smaller firms. Salaries are however increasing to keep up with global trends as well as the cost of living in Malaysia which has gone up substantially over the past few years. The starting pay for an associate in my firm is RM3k. You get more if you have a masters. Bonuses for performing associates are good.

    Salaries in the medium to larger firms have gone up over the course of the past 6 months. My advice to chaps that are about to hit practice is this – go for the bigger firms. You get better pay and better exposure. Be astute enough to enquire whether you will be pigeon-holed into just one type of work. The last thing that a lawyer needs to be is to be in his 5th year and know nothing except due diligence or how to credit card matters. That affects your marketability.

    Competition is rife to get into the better firms. We take what we think are the best candidates. On what is “best” – this is quite subjective and will vary from firm to firm. I am actually in charge of recruitment matters in my firm and I look for candidates that I think are fighters and team players. Credentials and good grades matter but is not the only thing that I look at. I have turned top students from overseas blue chip universities away because I think that they do not possess the right attitude. I have taken in average joes who have turned out into extraordinary lawyers (my associate is a case on point). I train vigorously and my expectations are high.

    I guess at the end of the day how far and fast one gets ahead in practice is pretty much dependent on that person. You reap what you sow.

    Exposure – you’re right Eddie, this depends on the firm you join not the country that you practice in.

    CHOOSE THE FIRM THAT YOU WILL CHAMBER OR PRACTICE IN CAREFULLY! Sometimes, it’s not just all about pay. What matters is the type of work you get and whether you are able to find the right mentor in your workplace. The money will come.

    I chambered and moved up the ranks in the same firm progressing from pupil to associate to senior associate and now partner. What has kept me honest and rooted where I am is this – I had and still have a good mentor. Trust me, headhunters from the UK, Singapore, the UAE and China have come looking for me over the past few years, but I stayed on where I am because I saw a career path ahead of me and I had a good mentor that helped me chart that career path.

    It has been tough getting where I am. A lot of tears and hard work have gone into it.

    Point is this – the expectations are no different whether in Malaysia or overseas. To get ahead you’ve got to slog. No 2 ways about it. My working hours are on par with lawyers in magic circle firms in the States or UK (I deal regularly with them). They are long! I am paid well but never enough considering the sacrifices and hours I put in. It never is whether in Malaysia or overseas.

    Wake up and smell the roses folks. Its now a global village and the legal profession is about to open up, Malaysian lawyers must learn how to compete and trade blow for blow with overseas lawyers.

    EXCITING TIMES ARE AHEAD … ARE WE READY?

    Cheerio,

    Anonymous

  • 27 Eddie Law // May 30, 2008 at 12:29 am

    wow…I see the passion, honesty, positive and “different” lawyer today.

    when everyone is rushing to overseas, our Mr AP (or is a Ms?) is still unmoved and stay firm with his (or her?) belief and vision.

    It is always enlightening to hear advice from someone who is few years ahead of us.

    I am really looking forward to the opening of Malaysian legal industry…

    Just curious, do I know you in person Mr/Ms AP?

  • 28 Anonymous // May 30, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Eddie,

    I’m afraid you don’t know me in person … :)

    It’s a Mr and I’m in my early thirties (Did I hear someone say that the 30′s are now the new 20′s ?). :)

    Seriously (and this is not the ramblings of an old stick in the mud), I believe that young people joining the legal industry might have to learn take a more long term view of things.

    Instant gratification as in instantly high pay is good but what is more important is your ability to command and guarantee the sustainability of that income stream in the long run.

    It’s pointless starting off with a bang but not ending the race ahead of the rest. When I started legal practice 7 years ago, my pay was quite honestly crap compared with what some of my other friends were drawing back then (these people joined MNCs, chose to practice abroad, etc). I kept at it however and I dare say that my earning power now is on par if not more than those chaps (and my drawings are still going up whereas some of those chaps’ have stagnated).

    Again, I’m saying all this, not to gloat but hopefully to give fresh graduates a different spin or take on things. Legal practice is tough wherever you go. To last, you need to be passionate about what you do and you constantly need to upgrade your knowledge and soft skills. The more versatile you become as a lawyer, the higher your worth is to your employer. That’s how you make your way up the corporate ladder. That’s how you guarantee the sustainability of your income stream in the long run. That’s how you get your promotions. Hard work is of course a given.

    My advice for the fresh grads is to get out there and look for a good firm to chamber in. Look for a firm that is dynamic. Ask if that firm has a proper chambering programme or if pupils are left to swim or drown by themselves. Some firms pay good allowance but give very little training to its pupils. Look for a firm that trains and which invest in its people (and these may not necessarily be the firms which offer the highest chambering allowances because they know exactly what it is that they bring to the table). Some firms pay high allowances because they deploy their chambering students as “lawyers” (not “lawyers in training”) with little or no supervision. Check with people in industry about the firm that you are intending to join and if you have seniors from law school in that firm, ask them for a no holds barred account of what it is like to read in chambers there.

    Cheerio,

    Anonymous

  • 29 leesh // May 31, 2008 at 11:42 am

    Anonymous raised the important issue that one has to be passionate about what one is doing. In terms of upgrading of skills, you have to ensure that you are kept abreast of the developments in the law: read MLJ/CLJ/AMR every week and try to ensure exposure to different areas of the law even within your specialisation (e.g. insolvency litigation, minority oppression, schemes of arrangement, breach of directors’ duties). Regardless of your area of practice, keep up to date on commercial issues: read the Edge, read the business section of the newspapers every day, log on to the Bursa website to read the announcements.

    Exposure will depend on a large extent to the firm you join and I think to an even larger extent, it depends on the boss you are working for. Larger firms may be able to offer, on paper, international links and wide practice areas. You may however still be stuck doing a very narrow scope of work which you might not enjoy. Something along the lines of neverending due ds or routine debt collection files. On the flip side, you may be fortunate to have a partner who takes interest in your professional development and ensures enough guidance and tutelage.

    Touching on lawyers leaving for practice overseas, I see two common factors. The first is the issue of higher pay. I am envious when I see my peers from school, who started practice in Singapore, now earning more than double what I do, and that is before conversion. After conversion, that becomes more than 4 times what I earn. Of course there is the issue of the higher cost of living in Singapore. But I have written about this before, and aside from having a car (use public transportation) and housing (which is very high), it is not that expensive to live there. The spending power really is quite high. Long term however, when you can’t own your own flat or house, when you want to raise a family overseas, your high pay may not be able to sustain you.

    The second issue is that of exposure. The deals, the large-scale litigation, the cross-border elements, the presence of foreign firms, all add to the perception that you will get a lot more exposure in a foreign jurisdiction. With the advantage of immediate employment, without a need for qualification, Singapore is very attractive for younger lawyers to make the jump over.

    Let me throw in a 3rd point. Another common phrase I hear is that “I am already working till 11pm or midnight every day. I might as well go to a different jurisdiction, work the some hours, and get a much better pay.”

    Having said that, the long term prospects e.g. making equity partnership in a foreign jurisdiction would be slim. There may very well be a stagnation point, where your increments drip to a stand-still.

  • 30 serena // Jun 12, 2008 at 4:58 am

    What if I have a law degree from a local public university? Will I be at a slight disadvantage compared to graduates with foreign degree (England etc.)?

  • 31 Eddie Law // Jun 17, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    serena – if you work in Malaysia, I will say NO (in fact, some law firms even prefer local graduates). if you work at overseas, I guess it depends, say if you apply to work at overseas without gaining any experience in Malaysia, I think you may be at the disadvantage but if you have gained some working experience then which University you are from may not be so crucial.

  • 32 Sheeba Tanah Melayu // Jul 8, 2008 at 9:43 am

    Hi,

    I wld like to ask for someone who has an ICSA qualification from the old ITM. He was quite familiar with business law, and recently on corporate services things (e.g. labour law, environment compliance, etc.). Wld anyone advise how a senior citizen like him can read law and be a qualified lawyer in Malaysia (if possible without to go through chambering?!!)? Thanks.

  • 33 Eddie Law // Jul 8, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Sheeba Tanah Melayu -I am not sure if your ICSA will get you exampted from any subjects in pursuing your LLB. After obtaining LLB you will need to sit for the qualifying exam and then undergo 9 months of chambering. You may only be exampted from chambering if you has served in certain judicial department for a certain period of time.

  • 34 Adila // Jul 17, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Eddie,

    I am a law student from UITM graduating in BLS in November. My next step is to either get the 1 year LL.B or the CLP and afterwards the chambering.

    I want to work overseas, can I work in the EU or am I confined to work in Malaysia with this local degree, or perhaps in Hong Kong or Taipei? I don’t speak Mandarin, but I speak excellent Spanish and Arabic, so I am wondering if I might be able to transport my legal degree abroad.

    To Ying, I am very interested in working overseas. If you are reading this, would you mind contacting me?

  • 35 LYN // Jul 17, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    can a qualified m’sia lawyer(with uk degree) go to work in any country ?

  • 36 LYN // Jul 17, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    i want to work n live in oversea.but my friend told me that UK will not hire a foreign lawyer.im the 1st year law student.
    1)what should i do to make myself become as a qualified lawyer in UK?
    2)what bout the other country?wil they hire a M’sia lawyer?what are the requirements?

  • 37 Eddie Law // Jul 19, 2008 at 10:47 am

    Adila – I am not sure if EU or overseas do recognise our M’sian local degree. Should you really wish to work at overseas, I think there are 2 options that may increase your chance being hired by overseas firm 1. to pursue a postgraduate degree in an international university e.g. from UK or Australia…2. to work with a M’sia firm which has affiliation with international firm (e.g. Wong & Partners) or the largest law firms for few years. I got a friend who work with a famous law firm in KL and now has been hired by a Hong Kong developer.

    LYN – as fas as i know, you may work as a foreign lawyer in some countries, not too sure about UK. The requirement is that you must be qualified in Malaysia and graduated from the universities recognised by the qualifying board in the respective country. I know there are many S’pore law firm looking for Malaysian lawyers now a day and hired them as foreign lawyers. A S’pore law firm has just advertise in eLawyer.com.my to look for M’sian candidate.

  • 38 Jude // Aug 8, 2008 at 8:55 am

    Hi Eddie,

    Thank you for your blog.

    I am a Chartered Accountant from the Institute of Chartered Accountants in Australia and I also hold a masters of e-commerce. I spent my earlier years in a large accounting firm in Australia and Malaysia and recently I have semi-retired to look after my 2 year old baby.

    I want a change and boost in my career and therefore am thinking of pursuing law.

    Do you have a recommendation on which University I should go to?

    As I am 34 years old, I am looking for an educational institution which will give me a highly recognised degree which will also enable me to practise law in the fastest manner.

    What would your recommended career path be for me?

    Cheers,

    Jude

  • 39 Eddie Law // Aug 8, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Hi Jude – it is very much depend on where you want to practise at the end? If you only want to practise in Malaysia then you can join the London External Programme and sit for CLP (the qualifying test). If you think of practise overseas it would be good for you to study in a Uk University and get admitted to the English Bar. Please bear in mind of the changes that going to take place when the Common Bar Exam is implemented.

  • 40 Jude // Aug 8, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    I intend to only practice in Malaysia.

    What about University Malaya?

    What are the changes that will take place when the Common Bar Exam is implemented?

  • 41 Eddie Law // Aug 9, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    Jude- I am not sure if UM taking in matured student. Of course, UM gradusates are very welcome in Malaysian legal market especially by some of the largest law firms.

    The Common Bar Exam will make everyone to sit for it in order to be qualified to practise law in M’sia, as such, I am not sure if they still recognise English Bar Exam in view of such implementation in the future.

    Read this http://www.laweddie.com/wordpress/2008/05/15/clp-exam-to-be-abolished-soon/

  • 42 Jenx // Aug 18, 2008 at 9:53 am

    I am an in-house counsel for a MNC. Monies are good and exposure is great. I am wondering whether law firms in Malaysia are interested hiring in-house counsels without a cut in our pay? What is the salary now for a 7 year experienced LA?

  • 43 Jenx // Aug 18, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Jude – UM used to offer Bachelor of Jurisprudence (External Law Programme) for matured students. You can contact UM to see whether the course is till being offered. All subjects are thse samae except you dun do it in UM. Colleges / Universities like HELP or ATC offer lectures and tutorials for this program.

  • 44 Jenx // Aug 18, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Also, Eddie, I would like to know what is the site address for Malaysian In House Cousel. Thanks.

  • 45 Eddie Law // Aug 18, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Jenx – Law firm in Malaysia will hire 2 types of person – 1st is consultant (always being some retired judges or well known lawyers), 2nd is lawyer who is qualified to practise in Malaysia.

    Paralegal position is possible but not many firms offer these positions.

    I believe someone with 7 years PQE may demand a monthly salary of RM7 -10k in Malaysia (depend of the size of the firm). Lawyer with 7 years PQE is deemed as senior lawyer based on the Bar Council. Senior lawyer is very much likely to be made as partner in a law firm (of course, depend on his performance).

    what do you mean by url for Malaysian In House Councel? there is no such body governing in-house lawyer but if you refer to job opportunities, you may visit http://www.elawyer.com.my

    Just curious, are you now working in M’sia or overseas?

  • 46 Jude // Aug 19, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    Thanks Jenx and Eddie.

    I found this:

    http://www.brickfieldscorp.com/bjuris/fact.htm

  • 47 Eddie Law // Aug 21, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Jude – Brickfield college is one of the long history of law colleges in Malaysia. Do check out some of the other law schools too so that you may have a better comparison of their performance.

  • 48 rookie // Jan 8, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    hello..i jus finishing my high school last year..n im confuse whether i want to pursue my study in design or law…bcause my family running a business in interior design so they hoping me to take design courses..i never think bout takin law but my school counsellor n teachers told me that i hv the talent to be a lawyer because i always take part in debates or public speaking comp. until i manage to represents my school in the state level n for sure i dun think im good in drawing if i want to take design–__–…i think im interested in law so i wanna kno what is the requirements to be a lawyer in malaysia..is it lawyer still hv a high demand in malaysia? n if im takin law is it will be useful to help me running my family business?

  • 49 Goh // Jan 8, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Hi, rookie,

    I think you still have time to consider and think about what you really want in your life. You should ask yourself what your interest is. That is the idealistic view. The practical view is, you should see what your ability is and what the market wants. It depends on what kind of person you are, whether idealistic or practical. To decide on a course to study is a crucial matter. The advises from other people are just considerations for you, you need not take them blindly. Thus, what your teacher/parent/friends said should not be followed blindly.

    Secondly, being active in debates doesn’t mean you can be a good lawyer. Many good debaters are not law students. They are students from philosophy school, mass communication school, linguistic school and even engineering school! Xiao Hui Min, the Astro AEC presenter, was not a law student but she was chosen as best debater in debate competitions. Being lawyer is not just about debating. Sometimes you may even be required not to talk too much in order to get the things you want. Obviously, your teachers/friends have got confused concept about being a lawyer. You should not listen too much to them.

    Thirdly, being a lawyer is not as interesting as how you think is. There are so much of liability, pressure, traps and challenges involved. Only the members in the profession can tell you. Sometimes you may think that you should have joint another profession.

    Next, there are already so many lawyers out there. Majority of the lawyers do the common legal matters. Minority of the lawyers do the specialisation. There are fierce competitions in the practice of common legal matters.

    So, you probably should consider inheriting your family business. Afterall, you need not be very great in drawing, you just need to hire designers for you. Further, you can use IT for design nowadays. However, the decision is yours. Like what I said, you should do the evaluation on your own. It’s just that we should break the misconception about many professions.

  • 50 rookie // Jan 9, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    thanks for ur advice goh =)

  • 51 Eddie Law // Jan 11, 2009 at 10:25 am

    Hi rookie – it is good that you try to gain more information/advice about the legal profession (academic aspect and practice aspect) in this early stage.

    To a certain extend I agree with Goh, that many people seems to have misconception about law practising, however, I believe every profession (be it lawyer or desiger) has 2 sides to it.

    In deciding what suite you most, I would encourage you to find out where your passion lies and what are your strengths, more often than not these 2 are inter-related.

    As such, it is rather important to have a serious career counseling before you really decide what subject you want to pursue to in your university.

    God has made everyone uniquely and everyone has his/her strenghts or talent. Only when you are able to find out what is your talent and what is required by the particular profession then you are able to make the so called “most aptly” desicion.

    I am not sure about designer, but for legal practise, I believe the foundamental characteristic required are rationale thinking mind set or strong analytical skill, strong language skill and of course passion in law.

    We only live our life once, hence, don’t be too influence of what other want you to do.

    I want to emphasise here, you SHALL now seriously find out what are your strenghths and the requirements of the respective profession, before you make up your mind. This will save you a lot of time in life…

    I hope this will help. Let me know should you need further assistance.

  • 52 Eddie Law // Jan 11, 2009 at 10:28 am

    rookie – sorry forgot to answer 2 questions posted by you.

    1. yes, lawyer is always in demand in our current market.

    2. taking law will not help you in managing your desinging business.

  • 53 Eddie Law // Jan 11, 2009 at 10:32 am

    rookie – last thing, if you are in KL on 17 Jan 2009, I will encourage you to drop by the Legal Career Fair 2009 at Legend Hotel from 10am – 3pm, there are more than 15 reputable law firms participated in this year event. Talk to the lawyers and I believe you will get many valuable and “insider” info.

    I will be there too.

  • 54 adryenne // Jan 13, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    Hi eddie law,

    I’ve actually sent you an email but i’m not sure if you received it, so i’ll just post my question i sent you via email here. Here goes.

    I came across your blog on the internet and i was hoping you could share some of your experiences as a lawyer and also shed some light unto the uncertainties that i have regarding this profession. I have just finished A levels and i have been contemplating if i should pursue a law degree and choose a career in the law field. So i thought it might be helpful if i ask someone who has already gone through the whole process of LL.B, CLP, chambering before becoming a lawyer and have been practicing it for a couple of years.

    I have heard many times of people saying that there are a lot of jobless lawyers and that it is very difficult to find a job in Malaysia. Does this statement prove to be true? What was it like when you took LL.B? I intend to pursue a LL.B program at KDU, twinning with University of Tasmania, where i will study 3 years in Malaysia and 1 year in Tasmania, Australia. I know many would advise me to take external program with University of London instead as it is more reputable and a degree from UK is often regarded as being of a better quality. The reason i choose the twinning course is because i want to experience a life in a different country and i believe the exposure i have overseas will mould me into a better person, with values instilled in me that are often seek after by employers. However, it is not a UK degree nor is it a first tier university, will it be a disadvantage to me? What are your 2 cents on this matter? Is it advisable to pursue an Australian degree that takes longer to complete?

    In your experience as a lawyer, does where you study LL.B hold much importance to an employer from a big law firm? Haha i’m sorry for bombarding you with so many questions, but these are questions that need to be answered before i come to a decision. I read from your blog that CLP is to be abolished, but until the board comes up with a new set of exam, does it mean that CLP is still in effect? Given CLP’s notorious reputation for lacking transparency and with a ridiculously low passing rate, is it feasible to invest so much time and money into this career path when you only have about 20% chances of obtaining a certificate that allows you to practice law?

    What are the career prospects of being a lawyer? Salary wise, do medium to large law firms pay well? I know that monetary rewards shouldn’t be my primary concern, but i will have to take up study loans to finance my education and this makes it important for me to ensure that i have the neccessary means of paying off the debts that i owe. I’m sure competition to enter top firms such as Wong & Partners would be fierce, so do such firms exclusively accept law graduates from Ivy Leagues only? If i don’t practise law, what can i do with a law degree?

    I guess that’s it. Thank you for your time. Do share some of your ideas and advice on this matter. I appreciate it very much. Anyone who sees this, i would appreciate if you do that too. Thanks.

  • 55 rob // Jan 28, 2009 at 1:32 am

    Hi Eddie

    Just to pick up on being a lawyer in Malaysia, I am an English qualified solicitor and current practice Real Estate law in London. What would I need to do t practice as a lawyer in Malaysia?

    Many thanks

    Rob

  • 56 J // Feb 17, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    I’m a pre-U student soon to be attending University, and may take up an offer by the University of Kent to study Law. However I found out that the LLB degree from Kent is not listed in the list of Univesities recognized by the Malaysian Bar. Also, the webpage I found from this blog (referring to the Malaysian Bar) only refers to the Inns of Court in England. Is there still a way for me to return and practise here in Malaysia? Or will I be able to be a member of the English Bar? Please advise. Thanks.

  • 57 Rob // Feb 17, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    Hi J

    You can complete your degree, then complete the Legal Practice Course (LPC) for solicitors or the Bar Vocational Course (BVC) for Barristers and then do a 2 year training contract to qualify as a lawyer in England & Wales. You can then work in Malaysia if you are qualified in the UK, are a Malaysian National and pass their “Transfer Test” which you can read more about from the Malaysian Bar website. You would then be a dual qualified lawyer.

  • 58 J // Feb 18, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Thanks Rob for the advice. Another open question, does that mean I can’t come back to Malaysia after I finish my LLB in Kent and take the CLP?

  • 59 gurl // Feb 25, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    hi.. im a very unfortunate graduate of uni of london external who got a 3rd class.. i was wondering if any1 could could make suggestion to me how could i practice in msia now? or shall i consider the end being a lawyer..

    besides clp and bvc is there aany other option? shall i re-do my llb in a local uni? that doesnt sound good.. thamk you for the assistance..

  • 60 Rob // Feb 28, 2009 at 2:02 am

    Hi Gurl

    As it happens i too have a third class degree from an english university. I was very disappointed and formed very similar views. However with persevereance I managed to get onto the LPC at college of law and from there i managed to get a training contract at a 5 partner firm. I tried to do as much commercial work as i could get my hands on an (upon qualification) I managed to move to a top 50 law firm in the north west of England. I am now working at a well resected firm in London. It was very very difficult to get a training contract and i was turned down many many times before even being given the opportunity to interview. I sometimes chose to omit my degree result from my CV and just put LLB hons in Law in the hope that some would give me the benefit of the doubt on the application process. Bear in mind that Fiona Shackleton got a third and if she is good enough for Paul McCartney and Prince Charles then it is good enough for me.

  • 61 vijaya raj // Mar 19, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    dear sir/madem
    i have compleate my law degree in madurai law college in 2005 and now i have finished my 3 year parctice in law field at various court. now i would like to work at malaysiyan law firm any. kindly send any great idea to me sir. and also i expect valuable reply to u thanking u .
    with regards
    vijay raj .

  • 62 vijaya raj // Mar 19, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    dear sir/madem
    name :vijaya raj

  • 63 vijaya raj // Mar 19, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    am thamilnadu from india. i studied in govt.law college madurai .dr.ambedkar law university chennai.

  • 64 shaft // Mar 20, 2009 at 1:23 am

    hey eddy,

    i am currently in my second year of BLS in Uitm. i want to ask for your opinion. firstly, would it be better for me to continue my LLB in Malaysia or should i take it in UK? i would really love to finish it in UK however the CLP exam is my main concern. are they going to implement the CBE anytime soon. thank you eddy!

  • 65 Jack Johnson // Mar 25, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    Dear Eddie,

    I’m a 2nd year LLB student of MMU Melaka, and i’m a JPA scholar. With that, i am bonded with the government for 6 years. My question is rather off topic from all the great and informative replies above though. I’d say i’ve learnt alot from all the replies here, however, it is really not often we can find information on how it is to work with the government in this very legal field.

    It would be a great help for me if anyone could tell me more about the working life with the government .

    Thanks in advance.

    Regards

  • 66 Eddie Law // Jun 2, 2009 at 11:27 am

    Sorry for the late reply guys.

    Hi adryenne – i don’t think it is difficult for a lawyer to secure job in Malaysia. Many career choises are available to lawyer, e.g. practise, in-house legal officers, lecturing…etc.

    Obtaining a law degree from UK and Australia to me doesn’t make a lot of different when one practises in Malaysia, the main thing is you should obtain your degree from the reputable university as indeed, many law firms do look at what university the candidate graduated when deciding if to call someone for an interview, this is espacially so for the young lawyer.

    Law firm in medium size firm and large firm always pay better then the smaller firm, however, this is not always the case as many of my clients thought there are small firms but they pay as high as large firm.

    Rod & Vijaya Raj – please refer to this article in relation to foreign lawyer practising in Malaysia:
    http://www.laweddie.com/wordpress/a-consideration-for-foreign-practitioners-entering-the-legal-profession-in-malaysia/

    gurl – you still can move on to be great success in legal field apart from being in practise.

    shaft – look at the pace things moving, I am not sure if CBE will be implemented in a near future.

    Jack Johnson – i have not been working in government department before hence can’t really give my 2 cents thought on this, however, i will try to invite one of my friend who works in government department now to share some of his experience, if he willing to.

  • 67 Eddie Law // Jun 2, 2009 at 11:30 am

    Hi J – it would be advisable if you could pick an university which is recognised by the Legal Profession Qualifying Board, which will save you many trouble.

  • 68 Jack Johnson // Jun 3, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    Thank you very much Eddie Sir, Please let me know once your friend is willing to share :)

  • 69 nina // Jun 7, 2009 at 2:54 am

    hello mr eddie,
    i am a law student from uitm.i would like to know te best path that i should choose for my career.i really want to do something that is related to my interest but i also want to have good pay.
    i would like to know what are the differences,pros and cons of being a lawyer in private firms, deputy public prosecutor,magistrate and lecturer.
    i want to know the salary range of these professions and the differences between all of these.
    i also would like to know the current salary paid to the chambering students in malaysia.

    tq so much.

  • 70 Eddie Law // Jun 8, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    nina – whatever path that you take should be the one that match your talent/gift. so that you will have better opportunity to be excelled in that career. so you must know yourself before you decide the next step. Taking some test may help you to understand yourself.

    As for the different requirement and salary aspect of the 4 careers that you mentioned:

    1. private practise – this will “seem” to be the most lucrutive career as it perceived amongst the 3 others. but the stress and challenge is equally high.

    2. DPP & Magistrate – these 2 are government service, don’t do it for the sake of money in short term. The salary increment is not as high as someone work in private sector. however, this will lay a good track record in your profile.

    3. lecturer – you may have a decent income with comfortable working environment, however, if your passion is not on academic then I may afraid you won’t do it for long.

    I still believe and I must stress that:

    1. you must understand your strenght

    2. try to be a bit flexible when you are young as whatever job that you take will help in your life, unless you are very sure of what you want in your life.

    Best of luck and do let me know what you choose in due course.

    The KL current normal market allowance rate for chambering position is RM1,000 – RM1,500, of course, i also heard that a firm even pay up to RM2,500…

  • 71 nina // Jun 12, 2009 at 5:23 am

    helli mr eddie..
    tq for you advise,i really appreciate it.
    i think i should try to work with private company first.
    if i want to do chambering next time, i would like to seek advice from you in future.
    tq so much!

  • 72 veena // Jun 28, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    hello there.. i would like to know if canadian llm is recognised in malaysia? i have completed my llb as an external student of uni of london.. therefore now i would like to proceed with my llm.. your reply is very much appreciated..thank u

  • 73 Kennis // Jun 30, 2009 at 11:52 am

    Dear Sir,

    Good Morning, i would like to enquiry something about my courier.

    Im’ working in the legal line almost 10 years, im very interesting working in the legal firm.

    How can i become a lawyer?

    Best regards,
    Kennis

  • 74 elle. g // Jul 8, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    Dear Eddie,

    First off, I’m so glad to have found this site! Thank you for helping give a few pointers to those of us who need the experience of those who are ahead of us.

    I graduated a few months ago and am now looking for a firm to chamber in. I deliberately delayed my chambering because I didn’t feel ready for the experience, and wanted to do some social work before jumping into the next 9 months of my life. I’m ready now.

    As Anonymous said above, it’s important to find the right firm to chamber with, along with the right boss. I don’t mind hard work as long as I receive proper guidance and exposure. Do you happen to know of any established middle-sized firms where students have received good chambering experiences? I’m completely lost and would appreciate any suggestions.

    Thank you in advance!

  • 75 Eddie Law // Jul 9, 2009 at 9:41 am

    Nina – you are most welcome and hope you can update us on your legal career path.

    Veena – as far as legal professional qualifying board concerns, they only take into account of your LLB degree not your LLM.

    Kennis – may i know what is the job that you are doing now? in general, everyone who wants to be a practising lawyer in Malaysia must obtained a law degree (from recognised universities) and then either choose to do CLP in Malaysia or admitted to the Bar in England. If you are graduated from local universities then you will be exempted from doing CLP.

    However, exception applies to the “articled clerk” as described in section 10 of the Legal Profession Act.

    elle.g – it is good that you took a step back and wait till yourself are ready before you embark into something.

    In general you should choose a law firm which allows you to work in different departments in the law firm during your 9 months. This is commonly known as “rotation system”. I know most of the large firms do provide this and medium size firm like Cheang & Ariff provide this as well.

    If you already know what is the areas of law that you want to practise then you may find the law firm who specialises in the area of practise and join them during your chambering. This is because many law firms prefer to take young lawyer from their pool of pupils and it is easier to get in as a pupil then a legal assistant.

    I hope this answered your queries.

  • 76 silver may // Jul 19, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    hello eddie,

    your site has provided useful information for soon to be lawyers and many others who want to enter the legal profession.

    i am looking for firms to chamber in kuala lumpur, preferably medium sized firms with alot of exposure to different areas of practice. it is an eventful or uneventful 9 months and i want to make it an exciting one. no doubt hard work and perseverance comes with it.

    it is “shopping” time for me. i want to be trained under a firm not just for the reasonable pay but importantly, a place i would like to work for in the long run. any suggestions?

  • 77 yujii // Jul 22, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    hello eddie, i’m curraany ently a third year student doing law.(still so far to go).i need some help looking for private sponsorship. any advise?thanks

  • 78 yujii // Jul 22, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    sorry for the spellings,its suppose to be
    “currently”

  • 79 yev // Aug 5, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    hi Eddie,
    Not sure if this is the right platform to ask, but would just like to find out how much is the market rate for the salary of a 4-5 years experience lawyer?

  • 80 bella // Aug 7, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    hey i has a question.can i study law with spm result?and how good is my spm result should be?

  • 81 Annabelle // Aug 10, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    Hi!

    I recently won a mooting competition at Bond Uni, Aus and overall outstanding advocate with a scholarship to study law and am quite keen. However, my question is exactly like Bella’s. I heard from my teachers that Harvard Law School provides 2 scholarships for SPM students with good results ( don’t have to be topnotch ) and extremely active in coccum. More of an all-rounder. Is that true? I’ve been googling but the result is quite unproductive. How bout Yale University? Do I still have to sit for SAT? I do understand that the legal system in US is diff as Msia, but if I intend to come back to practise I just need to take the CLP right?

    Your response is definitely very very much appreciated. :)

    I’ll be looking forward to know more from you!

    Best regards.

  • 82 Sue Anne // Aug 12, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    Hi Eddie, I have just completed my BAR in London and am returning to Malaysia to apply for a chambering position in a medium to large firm. Do you know what is the best paying firm in KL? I heard that Wong & Partners are offering Rm 3k for their pupils and 1st year L.A’s are earning more than RM 4k. Can you advise as to how difficult it is to secure a chambering position in Wong & Partners?

    Sue Anne

  • 83 Eddie Law // Aug 12, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    Silver may – I can’t really give you the specific names of the firms here as they are just too many what I consider good firms out there.

    Perhaps, below are some indications that you should look up for:

    1. rotation of areas of practice, whereby the firm allows you to expose to different areas of practices during your 9 months, which is mainly corporate, conveyancing and litigation.

    2. at least “2 tiers of structure” – which means they are partners and legal assistant (instead of firm with only partner and no legal assistant), so that even sometimes (most of the times) the partners are busy, you still have legal assistant to guide you during your pupilage. [But of course they are execption where the partners are really committed to guide their chambies]

    3. Reasonable pay – from the amount of allowance that they pay, you may know that if the firm does consider the welfare of the pupil. [again this is not absolute fact]

    4. chances of being retained – some large firm taking in more than 20 pupils at one time and only able to offer very limited vacancies to thier pupils, in this case, you are competiting with so many peers and your chance of being retained is very slim. Do take this into account.

    5. reference checking- try to check with those who has chambered in the same firm and take thier opinion as reference.

    Yujii – I know there are 2 law firms offer scholarship to law student. email me and i will give you the details.

    bella – you will need to take a pre-u programme or a-level equivalent before you can do your 1st years LLB (law degree) programme. Different colleges has different requirement, at my time, 5 credit in spm (including English & Math) will do. Not very sure about the current requirement, the best way is to check with the respective colleges.

    Annabelle – I don’t think our qualifying board recognised US law degree. as we are following commonwealth legal system. However, the best way to check is to obtain the list of recognised university from the Legal Professional Qualifying Board.

    Sue Anne – so far I heard the best allowance for chambering student in KL is RM2,500. I am not too sure if Wong & Partners pays RM3,000 as allowance to their chambering student. I won’t be surprise if that is the case as they are always the “best pay” firm in KL. I still remeber few years back, when I am earning RM500/month during my chambering time, Wong & Partner was paying RM1,500 to their chambies.

  • 84 Eddie Law // Aug 12, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    Sue Anne – i forgot to tell you that as to how difficult to get a pupilage position with Wong & Partnes, I don’t have specific answer. Of course, the competition is obviously fierce. However, below are few tips you can do to impress any law firm when they receive your application:

    1. understand the preferred mode of application – i.e. some firms prefer all the application to be sent through email only some still prefer fax …

    2. always write an impressive cover letter – cover letter must not be longer that 1 page.

    4 main points to be included in the cover letter, 1st citing how do you learn about the vacancy (if applicable), 2nd tell them briefly your current status, 3rd shows that you know the background of the firm & 4th why you think you are suitable for the post.

  • 85 kimberly khoo // Aug 20, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    I work at Wong & Partners. They pay pupils good ~2.8k.

    I am only 3rd year but earning more than 10k.

  • 86 Eddie Law // Aug 20, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    wow…Kimberly, this sounds unbelievable in Malaysia legal market. I am sure their HR manager must be very busy in filtering the applications. Hahaha!

    Thanks for the clarification.

  • 87 Nic // Aug 27, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    Hi Eddie,

    I am lost and I really need your advise.

    I had completed my LLB (Business Law) from London Metropolitan University in Jun 2009. And now I am facing a few problems:

    1) I intend to practise in Malaysia. In ordert to do so, I will have to sit for the CLP exam. Unfortunately, I just found that the University is not recognised by the Malaysian Bar, though its LLB degree is recognised by the Solicitors Regulatory Authority and the Bar Standards Board (English) as a Qualifying Law Degree allowing progression to the Legal Practice Course (solicitors) or the Bar Course (barristers).

    2) I applied the course as a mature student and the Uni requried me to take up its Foundation Programme for Legal and Social Studies (as a legal path way). In fact, I didn’t take A-level nor STPM as pre-u course. After all, people told that foundation programme as legal path way is not recognised in Malaysia, and it will be a problem for me to practise in Malaysia.

    These two essential points seem kicking me away from taking the CLP exam and thus, unable to practise in Malaysia.

    However, as noted from this website and http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/599183

    it seems possible for me to take BVC or LPC in UK (in a recognised Uni) and then practising my chambering in Malaysia.

    So, I am wondering if:

    1) I take BVC/LPC in UK. After the BVC/LPC exam, return to Malaysia and then complete my chambering here. Can it be done in this way?

    If it is workable, would I be able apply for membership to the Malaysian Bar? Would the Board asks for the A-level or STPM/ LLB degree at this stage (after the completion of chambering in Malaysia)?

    Or, if it is unworkable, I can only practise my chambering in UK after the Bar Exam and return after I become a barrister/solicitor. Am I right?

    Looking forward to hearing from you soon…

  • 88 Anonymous // Aug 27, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Hi Nic,

    Considering that your qualification is not recognised by the Qualifying Board pursuant to s.3(c), you will have to consider alternative routes to become a qualified person. The route that you are currently considering falls under s.3(b). You do not have to complete any pupillage in England before being a qualified person in Malaysia. The pre-requisite is for you to have received the Degree of the Utter Bar. Thereafter, you will be able to file your petition papers once you have a pupil master.

    However, due to recent changes in the UK for admission into the Bar Professional Training Course (replacing the BVC due to be implemented for the 2010 intake), you will have to sit for an aptitude test before enrolling and the examination standards will be increased accordingly.

  • 89 Anonymous // Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    In addition, if you intend to take the LPC, you will have to ensure that you have a training contract before coming back because if you are not a solicitor in England, you will not be a qualified person under the Act [PU(B) 633/81].

  • 90 Nic // Aug 28, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    Thanks Eddie and Anonymous for giving me such a clear picture of what options I am having now.

    I am, however, in a decision hard time as the Migration Advisory Committee’s (“MAC”) recommendations to limit local companies to hire non-EEA nationals has fully accepted by the UK Gov.

    Therefore, the chance of securing a job or traning contract in a UK firm doesn’t seem possible now.

    That sounds really sad…..

    Well, for the new Bar Professional Training Course which implements next yr will further diminish my hope to become a qualified person….. I am in a panic… Help, anyone could guide me through this difficulty??

  • 91 vkey // Sep 13, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    eddie can u let me know where can i take BOJ in kl? And what do you think of the course?

  • 92 Eddie Law // Sep 16, 2009 at 9:24 am

    Nic- try to have a word with the Legal Professional Qualifying Board see if they can shed some lights on your situation.

    vkey – have you try UM? last time they did provide BOJ, not sure now.

  • 93 S.R. // Sep 16, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    hi..
    i just completed my CLP..applied for chambering position in few places….got cond offer from 1 of the largest firms in msia with high pay n a medium firm with a very good boss…but lower pay…very confused now..the big firm also promised good mentoring and chances of retaining.not sure how to choose?help

  • 94 yellowpotato // Sep 16, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Hey!!! i just completed my A-Levels programme and a few months back, I watched a few movies depicting the legal scene (A few good men, amazing grace) and i was HUGELY inspired to take up this profession as I want to make a positive change in tis world and i feel tat taking up law provides an avenue for me to do this. My current plan is to either go over to Tasmania to do my LLB or do a UK Degree transfer at INTI. Since then I’ve been interviewing people i know who come into contact with lawyers pretty often (and lawyers themselves, also) about the industry and most of them have told me that the movies are NOT in any way relevant to the true life of being a lawyer – but it’s not wrong to dream, right? Dreams also provide passion, and you don’t get anywhere if you dont have a dream to begin with. So far the comments i’ve heard are – Overworked and underpaid, looong working hours (instead of til 5, til 10/11), stress, scarce social and family time..are all these true? To be honest, I am willing to work and give my BEST-in terms of hours, commitment and energy, but at the same time I really really want to get married as well! the people I know have shared that most lawyer women are single and in their 40s or over the hill -_- Are these myths or truths? Is being a lawyer really such a draining job? I hope you can provide me with some insight as you are the one with the expreince (especially the part about the single women) THANKS ALOT!!!!!

  • 95 john88 // Sep 29, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    hye eddie,

    it has been very informative reading ur blog and all the comments above.im a 2nd year law student in local private university. my question to u is on how do one become a majistrate or a dpp? ive heard that to become a majistrate u can be one by just obtaining llb or straight after u grad..is that true?what is it like being a majistrate or a dpp? can u pls advice me on this. thanking u in anticipation.

    hve a good day!

  • 96 Gnanam // Oct 2, 2009 at 1:26 am

    hey…..im kinda new to this law stuff,and most probably ill be taking my law course next year by january,but my edu is spm,i have no A-levels….so i been wondering if i have to take my A-levels 1st……if i do,how i can take it and where????
    can ya help me with this?

  • 97 vcrpy // Oct 6, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    To john88,

    Majistrates and DPP are considered government employees. You don’t need to be qualified lawyer in order to become government legal personnel.

  • 98 Aelean // Oct 26, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    Hey everyone,

    I’m soon to be a STPM graduate this year and my parents are pressuring me to take law in university even though I’m just around 60% interested in it.

    All in all I wouldn’t mind doing law but my real question is this:

    After graduating obtaining a law degree and having passed all the exams,
    Is it possible that I take a time off for 5 years before I start practicing as a lawyer or do anything related to law?

    This is because I have other plans and goals I have to achieve for myself that does not include law in those 5 years.

    Will my law degree and qualifications still hold water after 5 years of doing nothing related to law?

    I really hope someone here of experience will provide me with some response as I do not want to disappoint my parents and at the same time give up on one of my goals in life.

    By the way,
    Very informative post and comments.

  • 99 yat mun // Oct 27, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    Hello Eddie, Good day to
    In car accident cases, if the responsibility is the opposite driver, isn’t it all the fees on our lawyer
    should be charges together with our claim from the opposite insurance company?
    Or does our lawyer fees should to be borne by us? Please give some advise. TQ.

  • 100 stupefy // Oct 27, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    hi mr eddie.i would like to ask a question,by passing clp,could i practise in singapore?

  • 101 Eddie Law // Oct 29, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    S.R. – no matter what seize of firm that you join, there is alway pros & cons, the main thing is which firms would you want to attachment to after your chambering. This is because many many firms taking in pupil with the intention to retain them as LA. Many large firm prefer to take junior lawyer from their pupils as oppose to lawyers applying form other firm.

    yellowpotato – I couldn’t stop lauaghing when reading your comment and perception about the “single woman issue”. I believe this is the most interesting comments that I ever had thus far. Hahaha!

    Well, long working hours is partly true and partly untrue as it really depend on what kind of law firm that you join, what is their working culture and what sort of area of practice you are in.

    As for the single woman issue, frankly speaking i don’t know many female lawyer (who is in 30s) who is still single. Most the female lawyers who I met have married. At the end it is really depend on your time management (social and working).

    Perhaps the best way to avoid this “being single issue” is to get a boy friend during your university day or anytime before you enter into the legal profession. hahahah! I am kidding.

    But seriously speaking, don’t let this single woman issue be a hindrance for you to pursue your dream. I believe the single professional female issue is not that serious in our society as compare to S’pore / HK.

    As for the underpaid issue – I don’t really think so as if you compare with many profession (espacially accountant/engineer), lawyer salary and increment is not that bad.

    john88 – thanks for your kind comment. You may send application to the AG chamber if you want to apply for DPP/Magistrate post. Yes, fresh graduate is eligible to apply.

    Gnanam – you may see a list of law school at http://www.elawyer.com.my/resource_law-school.php

    Vcrpy – thanks for your comment in reply to john88.

    Aelean – it is better that you “leave” law after you been called to the Bar as oppose to before being called. This is because we don’t know what is the next admission requirement set by the relevant legal qualifying body.

    yat mun – I am not an expert in car accident case, so perhaps I am not the right person to give you advice.

    stupefy – No. In order to practise in S’pore you will need to sit for their qualifying exam, not our CLP.

  • 102 vcrpy // Oct 30, 2009 at 9:27 am

    To yat mun:-

    To answer your question you have to first know two kind of charges in litigation i.e.

    (a) party-party cost – this is the cost where after taxation before Registrar the tortfeasor will have to pay the Plaintiff legal fees & other disbursements

    (b) solicitor-client cost – this is the cost privately agreed between you the counsel and your client.

    The rule is that the defendant normally doesn’t have to pay solicitor-client cost but only to party-party cost.

    Example: You (the counsel for Plaintiff) demand $30,000 legal fee from your client. To this stage, this is a solicitor-client cost. After the trial, you’ve won the case for your client and you will have to prepare notice of taxation in order to claim service charges from the Defendant.

    Notice of taxation is heard before the Registrar (sort of like judges’ assistant) and he will assess whether the fee you charged against the Defendant is reasonable. He may assess that that $20,000 is more reasonable as your legal fee so the party-party cost will be $20,000 instead of $30,000.

    Therefore, now your client has to pay you the extra $10,000 from his own pocket ($30,000 – $20,000 = $10,000) because the law requires the Defendant to pay only party-party cost.

  • 103 yat mun // Oct 30, 2009 at 11:29 am

    Hello vcrpy,
    My case was like that,I have had an accident & it was fully the fault of the opposition driver.I had a lawyer to act on my behalf to do the claim for me to the opposition insurance company only. Not to the negligance driver.
    My lawyer first admit that 20% will be charge to the amount I claim & never mension about other legal fees charges. Also it was not hearing from the court. It’s was lawyer with opposite lawyer deal & then to our satisfaction amount payment I agree to.
    Until when I was to accept the cheque time, the lawyer charges me 20% & about another 20% legal fees charges. I even not given a copy of agreement too.
    I want to know is, wasn’t our lawyer legal fees is to be together to be borne by the opposite insurance company? or it is whichever party right or wrong , we have to pay for the legal fees to the lawyer?

  • 104 stupefy // Oct 30, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    thanks mr eddie.i would like to ask one more question.i heard that the degree transfer programme offered by various private institutions such as HELP UC is not recognised by the law society of singapore as a qualification for the qualifying exam.could you give some comments?

  • 105 vcrpy // Oct 30, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    To yat mun:-

    I get wat you mean now. Your case wasn’t even proceed to the trial stage meaning it was settled out of court.

    Normally, your lawyer won’t straight away go and sue the wrongdoer first in motor accident case. Instead, they will try to negotiate with the wrongdoer’s insurance company. If both parties can reach an agreement as to the amount of compensation then the matters won’t need to proceed to court for trial (especially in a clear cut situation where the liability of the wrongdoer is obvious).

    Under this situation, the legal fee is between you and your lawyer and not up to the court to decide. The one i’ve mentioned in previous post only applicable to after trial. In your situation how much fee should be charged is completely btwn you and your lawyer.

    Since this is more of out of court settlement, then the payment structure is privately agreed btwn you and your lawyer. In fact, there is no “Wrongdoer” in technical sense because the court didn’t even decide who’s right or wrong. What happens here is that the Insurance company simply offer a compensation to you which you accepted and in return not to sue them in court anymore. End of the story of the opposition party. Whether you want to the other party to bear your legal fee that would be something you need to bring up during the negotiation.

    Regarding to your legal fee charges, that would be privately and previously agreed btwn you and your lawyer. They should have sent you the invoice and i suggest you look at the invoice and see what they’ve charged against you.

    (note: my information is only based on the assumption drawn from your given info)

  • 106 yat mun // Oct 30, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Hi ,vcrpy
    Since this matter had happen, I ‘hv ask my lawyer for the sign agreement between me & him & ask for the invoice too, he denied to give me a certified copy of whatever i request for & only would give me a resit thats it, he said. By now the claim cheque is in his hand, only needed is for me to pay him the 20% & the legal fees than only he will release the cheque. In this case can I load a report to the Disciplinary Board Council to sue him back?

  • 107 vcrpy // Oct 30, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    To yat mun:-

    Hmmm…I’m sorry to hear that this situation happened to you but then i cannot grasp the full picture from you here. Strictly speaking, in west malaysia, the lawyer’s remuneration is regulated by Legal Profession Act. I’m not sure whether the lawyer’s charges were reasonable or permissible under the law but then as i said i cannot grasp the full pic here. Need to examine the situation in more detail and see what you have agreed into with the lawyer.

    If the amount is not big, talk to your lawyer rather than immediately going hostile against the lawyer. Ask them to detail the fees and did you also agree to the 20% charges initially? Ask them to be co-operative. Also beware of the time limit of the cheque. How long has the cheque been detained? Cheque can become stale (means that bank won’t accept it) if it’s not banked in within reasonable time.

    You can also ask opinion from other lawyers as well. Talking to bar council is not a bad idea. Reporting or complaint to bar council is sort of like if the lawyer being uncooperative persistently and leaves you no choice.

    Try to negotiate with the lawyer first. Tell them that we want win win situation. If both parties cannot reach amicable agreement, then the cheque will stay there forever and cannot be banked in!! The lawyer cannot take the money either as it would be breach of trust and misappropriation of client’s money which results to criminal activity. You also have to bear in mind that lawyers are entitled to earn their fees too. It’s hard to have a full grasp of your story without going into the details here. So this would be my general opinion only.

    You don’t sue the lawyer at Disciplinary Board but you “complaint” against your lawyer. Any complaint must be done by writing under the law. You sue people in court only. There’s a whole lot complaining and investigating procedures but i think i won’t go into details here as they’re long and complicated.

  • 108 Aelean // Oct 31, 2009 at 1:09 am

    Hey Eddie,

    Thanks for replying to my question.

    Being called to the Bar means having completed all the required legal exams and after chambering right?

    How long does it take for one to be ‘called to the Bar’?

    More questions from me I’m afraid,
    But I do need some advice here.

  • 109 Sydney // Nov 1, 2009 at 10:50 am

    Hi, Eddie. Hope you are well. I am applying for Full-time GDL (law conversion) course in London. I have did my resesarch and narrowed down to 3 institutions: BPP Law School, College of Law, and Kaplan Law School.

    I am a Malaysian. I have completed SPM in Malaysia, and my A-level at Cambridge Tutors C
    ollege, U.K. I am currently attending Emory University in Atlanta, U.S.A. I am completing my Bachelor of Business Administration(BBA), majoring in Finance and my current GPA is 3.876/4.00. I am graduating this December.

    I have a few questions regarding GDL course and admission to Malaysian Bar. I intend to practise as a solicitor in Malaysia, specializing in corporate(commercial)/financial law. My ultimate aim is to be a legal consultant in a corporation.

    1) Since I will not have LLB, is Graduate Diploma in Law (GDL), without BPTC, being recognized in Malaysia?

    2) After GDL, should I continue with Legal Practice Course (for solicitor in UK) OR Bar Professional Training Course (for barrister in UK) to enable me to practise as a solicitor in Malaysia?

    3) Should I choose to do either LPC or BPTC in Malaysia, after my GDL in UK? in order to be qualified as a solicitor in Malaysia.

    4) Does Malaysia recognize LPC and/or BVTC from UK?

    5) What are the additional exams I need to take, assuming after I complete BVTC in London, when I go back to Malaysia to practise as a solicitor?

    6) Would you suggest me to do BPTC/LPC and/or pupillage in UK before going back to Malaysia to practise?

    7) I undestand that Malaysia will only recognize BVTC, not LPC, if I want to practise as a lawyer in Malaysia (and it does not matter if I want to be a solicitor or barrister). Is this true?

    8) Are GDL, BPTC,and LPC of the 3 schools I aforementioned above being recognized in Malaysia?

    9) Would you say the best way for me to practise as a solicitor in Malaysia is me pursuing 1) GDL in UK , and then 2) BPTC in UK. 3) After that, serve as a pupil in Malaysia?

    I am very keen and serious about pursuing the GDL course. I hope you can assist me in the process.

    Thank you very much.

    Regards,
    Shin-Yi

  • 110 vcrpy // Nov 3, 2009 at 10:01 am

    To Sydney:-

    In malaysia there’s no distinction btwn solicitor or barrister (they call it advocate here) as both professions are fused back here. To make thing easy you might just refer the legal profession as lawyer here.

    People actually asked me whether GDL in UK is qualified to call to the bar here before. The following is my opinion (not advice. pls check with bar council malaysia for more accurate details).

    People generally has misconception that you need LLB to be called to bar in West Malaysia. In fact, LLB is only a qualification to sit for CLP. Admission to the bar requires that one to be ‘qualified person’ under the Legal Profession Act. If you would look at the Act (the law) as to what constitute ‘qualified person’, one of the requirement is that you need to be a “barrister at law in England”.

    Therefore, even if you don’t have LLB but you completed GDL (i heard that City University has offered great GDL course in London) and be admitted as “barrister at law” in UK, you are ‘qualified person’ under the Legal Profession Act in Malaysia. Once you are ‘qualified person’ you no longer need to sit for CLP and you can filed in the paper in High Court and start your chambering period.

    So, if you want to practice law in malaysia, forget about doing the solicitor thing in UK as you have to be admitted as barrister before coming back to Malaysa.

  • 111 stupefy // Nov 3, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    erm..could anybody tell me how clp can be taken? is clp like a course or…?if it is like a course,how long is the duration?when taking clp,could that person work in legal department?

  • 112 vcrpy // Nov 4, 2009 at 10:28 am

    Stupefy:-

    Technically speaking, CLP is an exam not a course. You need to take CLP exam before you can do chambering.

    CLP exam held once every year (exam in July if i’m not mistaken as i’m not CLP-routed). There are courses offered by private acadamic institutions such as Brickfield college and Kemayan ATC. These courses are designed to help you pass the CLP exam. You should consult these colleges abt the time schedule.

    What do you mean by legal department? Normally legal department means a section in big corporations (like banks or insurance company). Law firms do not have legal department because the whole firm is one :P
    Anyway, nothing forbid you to work as general employee at legal department (if you have the time while taking CLP courses) but you cannot hold yourself up as lawyer.

  • 113 yili // Nov 6, 2009 at 3:57 am

    what about if i were to take lpc and managed to obtain a training contract, will i be recognised as a advocate in malaysia thereafter? are there any additional exams i need to take? tq

  • 114 Eddie Law // Nov 7, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    Sydney – Hi Shin-Yi,

    1st of all you need to obtain a list of recognised universities from the Legal Qualifying Board in KL to determine which law school or Bar in the Uk that recognised by them.

    Once you completed your LLB (Law Degree) from the recognised universities, you have 2 options:

    Option 1: do CLP in M’sia and once you pass the CLP exam, you can undergo 9 months of pupilage then be admitted to the M’sia Bar.

    Option 2: you can continue to stay in the UK and sit for your Bar exam in one of the “recognised Inn”. Once you pass your Bar exam, you will need to do your chambering in M’sia, in order, for you to be admitted to M’sian Bar.

    I hope this can clear some of your doubts.

  • 115 Eu Keat // Nov 11, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    hi.. i’m new to the website and think it is great that there is a forum going on in here..

    i’m just curious, what do people with law degree actually does in the police force?

    after they come out from the police force, do law firms actually treasure such kind of experience or are they in demand at all?

    thanks a lot

  • 116 Everett // Nov 12, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Dear Eddie and Everyone,

    I am currently a pre-u student taking SAM, I just completed the program, I am very confused which private local university to choose to pursue my law degree.

    I have a few choices
    Taylors University College – Twinning to University of Reading

    Help University College – Transfer to 11 university in UK. ( include University of the West of England, Bristol, Cardiff University, University of Exeter, University of Wales Aberystwyth, University of Liverpool, University of Sheffield, University of Manchester, Northumbria University, University of Hertfordshire and University of Leeds.)
    Inti University College – Transfer to University of Leeds, University of Sheffield, University of West of England, Bristol, The University of Hull and Cardiff University

    KDU college – Twinning to Oxford Brooke University

    Brickfield college – Transfer to UWE, Cardiff, Aberystwyth, Hertfordshire and Northumbria

    I intend to have second year or third year in UK.

    I need your help in this area, which university above you think is the most recommended.

    While I was asking, I heard people said ATC is not bad too, providing a degree from University of London. It is a 3 years external program study in Malaysia. I am curious, is University of London very famous? And ATC is it a famous law school?

    While I am doing my research, I noticed that 4 universities in Malaysia have this University of London external program. Including ATC, Brickfield, KDU and Stamford.

    After graduate, is it advisable to practice in UK first, and become a barrister over there or come back to Malaysia to sit for CLP? Which is one more challenging?

    Looking forward to hear from you.

  • 117 Eu Keat // Nov 12, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    hey everett, u r doing SAM programme in taylors? lol, i m doing the same programme as well.. on the above universities, i think the best university is university of manchester.. =) just my humble opinion

  • 118 Everett // Nov 12, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    To: Eu Keat
    How do you know? Hahaha.. Do you want to study law too? Ya, university of manchester is good, the entry requirement is quite high too. Enter Help university doesn’t give you a guarantee to enter University of Manchester, this is my concern. What do you think?

  • 119 stupefy // Nov 12, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    To:Everett
    erm…well,although the entry requirement for university of manchester isnt that low,still not high right?i mean if you intend to further your study out there through the degree transfer programme that offered by HELP,the requirement for you to transfer to manchester really not that high…

  • 120 Eu Keat // Nov 12, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    To: Everett
    haha, how many college out there actually offers SAM programme, so i guess must be taylors.. yea, i want to pursue a law degree as well, but in australia, not UK.. as for the requirements, i don’t reli know about it, so i m not so sure..

    anyway, u’re in legal class? ur exams are over this week or next? i still got accounts next week.. T_T

  • 121 Everett // Nov 12, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    To: stupefy
    Thanks for your information~ hahaha.. Which university are you in now?

    To: Eu Keat
    Hahaha.. There are two college offers SAM, Inti and Taylors.

    Ya, I am in legal class, my exam isn’t over yet, I still have accounting next week too. A small world right?

    Why you want to study in Australia? Last time I planned to study in Australia too, but it takes 4 years to complete a degree, so I change my mind.

    After that, I planned to go to UK immediately to obtain my degree after my pre-u, but they start their university on September, means I have to wait for 9 months. In the end still 4 years.

    So I found the fastest way is to study local first, then second year or third year, twinning or transfer to UK. What is your opinion?

    Now my concern is, which university is the best, since there are choices.

  • 122 Eu Keat // Nov 13, 2009 at 11:52 am

    Everett,
    yeap, reli small world i guess.. lolz

    not my plan to study in australia actually, JPA want to send me there.. so yea, i just have to accept it..

    well, what i think is, why bother so much about the duration, afterall, spending longer time is still better than ending up in a third tier university.. meanwhile, 9 months can be used to do a lot beneficial stuff as well =)

    so what i reli think is, better apply to a better uni irregardless of the time, if u can afford it, i mean why not?

    still, if u wan to do a twinning programme, i still suggest uni of manchester..

    it’s all my humble opinion.. =)

  • 123 vcrpy // Nov 13, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    To whoever wants to know:-

    Everett had just mentioned a few universities in UK and enquired as to their reputations. I’ll just pick the best 4 (i think) out of those: Bristol, Sheffield, Manchester and Cardiff. Bristol definitely leading (in law) those universities as aforementioned by Everett (according to my opinion).

    Again…when you’ve become barrister at law in UK, you don’t need to sit for CLP in Malaysia at the moment (unless the law is changed in future).

    University of London is not a uni in strict sense. It is formed by a group of colleges such as King’s college, Queen Mary College etc. All the colleges that formed the uni have different teaching methods (course modules likely the same) but they have one unified exam. External programme is only an exam offered by the uni outside UK. Whether or not it is good depends on which colleges you’ve attended. For example, if you attended King’s College or LSE (LSE already separate itself from university of london this year) than you’re quite prestigious (prima facie).

    For those who wish to practice commercial law maybe a reputable uni may help to boost your resume and marketability. For those who wish to practice as litigator…who cares where you came out from so long you win the case! I’ve seen lawyers who allegedly read law at those so called prestigious law schools and got beaten the crap out of by those lawyers who attended those kampung law schools.

  • 124 Christy // Nov 15, 2009 at 6:26 am

    Hi,
    I am studying law degree on the third year. I m still considering to take BPTC or LPC. If I take LPC, n finish my 2 years contract in uk and come back to malaysia afterthat. Am I qualified as a lawyer in malaysia by taking LPC in uk??? In other words, does the Malaysia Bar council recognized LPC ????
    Hearing from you soon.

  • 125 kel9 // Nov 16, 2009 at 3:17 am

    Hi Christy,

    I am also a third year student. If you are like me, we will both have been going through daily anxiety about what to do once we are done – not long to go either! Not like Year 1 and 2 is it, where we know what’s coming the year ahead.

    Anyway, back on topic, I was told that once you have completed your LPC and following that, your training contract, you will become a fully-fledged solicitor in the UK. Once you are a fully-fledged solicitor, then you CAN come back to Malaysia and practise. You cannot however, complete the LPC alone and then return to chamber as a pupil in KL. So to answer your question, the Bar Council recognizes a Solicitor of England and Wales, but not the LPC alone for reason of pupillage.

    If you want to do pupillage in Malaysia, you must either complete the BPTC or the CLP.

    Both have their pros and cons, but myself, I am looking forward to go home and commence my CLP when I am done, and then fingers crossed I get myself into a large, progressive firm back home and find a great mentor.

    The posts above by ‘Anonymous’ during May 08 were very helpful in helping me come to my decision. I believe everyone has their own decisions and life to live. We just have to figure out what it is we really want – and that may be the hardest thing of all.

    For me, I lived overseas for many years, and I always miss home. So this is my chance to start my life back home in Malaysia. Of course I only hope for the best and that we all succeed in our third year and after!

    Good luck :-)

  • 126 kel9 // Nov 16, 2009 at 3:42 am

    Oh and thanks Eddie for providing the avenue for so so many helpful replies and comments for all us budding lawyers :-)

  • 127 stupefy // Nov 17, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    hi.i would like to ask a question.what language will be used for law course in University of Malaya and University Kebangsaan Malaysia?malay or english?

  • 128 calvin // Nov 25, 2009 at 12:40 am

    do lawyer requierment need A1 for history in spm ? i am very confuse in this ! can anyone help ?

  • 129 stupefy // Nov 25, 2009 at 11:25 am

    to calvin:
    nono,you wont need an A1 for history in spm.to be a lawyer,there is no prerequisite subject but a good command of language will be needed.

  • 130 calvin // Nov 26, 2009 at 7:55 am

    to stupefy:
    ooo………thank you very much……! Are u studying law ?

  • 131 calvin // Nov 26, 2009 at 7:57 am

    TO STUPEFY:
    and one thing….., how can i improve my language , i mean engglish! can u help me in this ?

  • 132 stupefy // Nov 26, 2009 at 11:09 am

    To Calvin:
    haha,i am not a law student yet but hope to be one of them in the future.i am now a form 5 student only but have done quite a lot of researches on the law course offered by either local or overseas instituition.furthermore,my english isnt good too,i am also trying to brush up my english now.thus,i cant help you much in improving your language skill.let’s work hard together!

  • 133 calvin // Nov 27, 2009 at 11:05 am

    to Stupefy
    u are not form 5 student ? do u mind i asking this ? then how old are u ? ok….lets improve together, haha! then when u gonna study law ?

  • 134 stupefy // Nov 27, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    To Calvin:
    did i ever say i am not a form 5 student?on the contrary,i have clarified that i was a form 5 student in the previous post.i am now 17 year old.i will enter form 6 first and then tyr to apply for local university law degree.since it is hard to gt into local public universities law school,i have planned to go for degree transfer programme that offered by local private instituition.

  • 135 calvin // Nov 27, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    To Stupefy
    oh….sorry….i have misstaken, i thought that u are not form 5 student , then how is ur spm ? ok ? haha….! i am form 5 student too ! u in science or art ?

  • 136 stupefy // Nov 27, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    To:Calvin
    haha,it doesnt matter.SPM so far so good but just stucked in add maths paper 2…i am a science student,what about you?

  • 137 calvin // Nov 28, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    ooo…..i see…i’m a account student…! same too…..stucked in add maths…! haha…..i very poor in add math…! just hope that other sub will get a good result ! Actually….u stay in what state ? I’m from penang…! and also can u give me ur instand live messenger address ? if can not nevermind….! haha!

  • 138 stupefy // Nov 29, 2009 at 10:39 am

    To Calvin:
    hoho,u stay in penang,i love there!i live in johor.we are really far from each other…haha.of course i can give you my msn,why not?it is nice t meet you!my msn:chinminshuen@hotmail.com

  • 139 calvin // Nov 29, 2009 at 10:47 am

    haha…..! i am from johor too…but since form 1 i had live over hear ardy ! i am from segamat, johor . how about u ? from muar ?

  • 140 YL // Dec 4, 2009 at 5:44 am

    Dear Eddie,
    I am currently doing my BVC in Uk right now and will graduate in June 2010. I’m interested in the area of corporate/banking. My long term goal is to practice in a foregin jurisdiction (prefably Singapore or HK). However, I would like to seek some opinions from you on whether it is feasible for me to apply directly to HK firms or gain some experience first in the big firms in KL or the SC then apply as a foreign lawyer?
    Thanks.

  • 141 Eddie Law // Dec 12, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    YL – of course, if you are offerred an opportunity to work in HK/S’pore, you should commence your career there.

  • 142 nina // Dec 13, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    hello mr eddie,
    i am a final year LLB student.i want to ask you few questions about chambering.
    1)what is the rate of allowance paid to chambering students?
    2)where is the best place to do chambering ?(kl area or klang valley?)
    3)how to apply for chambering?
    4)is that true that CGPA(pointer) would be a factor for a firm to choose chambering student?

    i hope u can help me because i plan to do chambering in may 2010.

  • 143 fahrin // Dec 29, 2009 at 1:07 am

    hello Mr Eddi,
    i just graduated my BLS programe (UiTM) and at our university, the LLB(hons) is a separate programe that need us to re-apply to continue the programe before we can persue with our chambering.
    actually me and my friend has decide to work before we continue our LLB(hons) programe,the thing that i dont realy know what post actualy we can apply at legal firm with our BLS qualification?

    tq Mr Eddie i hope you can help me

  • 144 Bridget // Dec 29, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    Hi Eddie:
    I’m currently 30 and has been working for almost 6 years. I hold a master degree in IT and currently wanted to pursue and take up another degree in law. Problem is i do not know which collage is good and as currently i’m in penang. Any good suggestion for a good palce to take up law degree in PG?

  • 145 Lee Hang // Jan 1, 2010 at 11:24 am

    hi, eddie
    i am Hang in Sarawak. i just finished my SPM and i am thinking of my future study. i have some questions to ask and i hope can get some advice from u. my English is not very good, is it hard to become a lawyer? which private college or university is good in law degree?how about segi college in Sarawak?As i know , the fees to complete a law degree in segi college is not very expensive.( around RM40000) tq

  • 146 Sam // Jan 2, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Hi, Eddie, your writing is so bad, I doubt you could be an effective lawyer.
    But I must say your blog is very informative and helpful.
    Thanks & Keep up the good work.

  • 147 S.L.Choy // Jan 3, 2010 at 10:34 am

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  • 148 vcrpy // Jan 3, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    To Lee Hang,

    If i’m not mistaken Segi College has a twinning programme with QUT in Australia. The programme you’re referring to might be 2+1 twinnng programme. RM40,000 is only leading up to LLB degree but does not include further year of professional legal training programme (i.e. either CLP Malaysia or professional legal training programme in Australia).

    The most important question is not whether it is hard to become a lawyer or not. The question is what do you expect from becoming lawyer? Is it of your interests? the potential social status (incl.monetary) gained from it? Or etc. You have to ask yourself why you want to become lawyer. For those who does not have a calling to become a lawyer, my advice is, you won’t get far. Lawyer is a serious profession and if you do not know why it interested you then eventually you will end up nowhere (even you can pass).

    Unlike doctor, the average pay for lawyer is not as good as you might expect. Wealth in legal field is only reserved for those who are truly good at what they’re doing.

  • 149 Ajay // Jan 6, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Dear Eddie,
    I am planning on working at a law firm in Kuala Lumpur for 12 months – as part of an internship program.
    My position, coming from the UK, is that I have completed my Legal Practice Course here in England and have obtained an LLB (Law degree) in the process. The next step here (as you probably know) is to secure a Training Contract at a law firm – where you work for 2 years (fully paid as a trainee) and subsequently qualify as a solicitor. Due to the recession and other factors, I have been unsuccessful in my search for one at a suitable sized firm. I therefore have two questions:
    1) Will it be possible for me to use this 12 month internship as part of my Chambering (I b in Malaysia and thus qualify as an Advocate there? If so, who will I/my law firm need to contact – the Malaysian Bar Council?
    2) If I do qualify in Malaysia, do you think that this offers me the ability to move back to UK in the future for vacancies for qualified solicitors?
    I’d appreciate your help on this matter. Thank you for your time.
    Kindest regard,
    Ajay

  • 150 Syed // Feb 23, 2010 at 7:30 am

    Dear Eddie
    Many thanks for your generous and comprehensive guidance on various issues above.
    I hold a law degree from India and planning to pursue an Executive LLM in Banking at the UIA, Malaysia. I may like to know whether I’ll be eligible to apply for CLP after obtaining the said LLM?. Also, regarding your advice to Deepak above, could you plz elaborate a li’l more on the aspect of practising as an in-house lawyer in Malaysia, given the fact that I hold a student’s visa?
    Regards

  • 151 Elle J. // Feb 26, 2010 at 7:05 am

    Hi Eddy,
    Really really appreciative of your effort to upkeep this blog. I learnt a lot just by reading the comments and replies. Also, I really REALLY, like what you said about finding your strengths and passions early which is what I havde been trying to do since I was about 13.. haha. But I just can’t seem to put my finger on what exactly are my ‘strengths’.. I know what my passion is though, and that I absolutely detest injustice.. I have been fighting for myself, the people I love, everytime I or anyone I care about has been treated unfairly. I believe justice is not an option. Call me an idealist or a dreamer, but it is what I believe in and what I have fought for so far.. I am an STPM leaver, and all these years have been trying to be practical whilst keeping my passion and dreams in front of me. It really was no other career except medicine or law for me. I have wanted to study either one since I started my research for an occupation(which was aroundd 14 yrs of age)

    I have done adequate research on the medical field and not as much on law. Came across your amazingly truthful and informative blog and I want to know certain things:

    1) Are lawyers better qualified/accepted into Malaysian politics? Or does it not really matter?

    2) Is law something like medicine where you have to study like.. excuse the term.. crap.. ? Or is it more of a memorising study? Doesnt really matter but I am just curious, from a science stidents point of view..

    Again, thank you for your commitment to providing all this useful and helpful information.. Especially to someone like myself who doesnt really know much about law studies but am really interested.. Just finding out.. research.. BTW, I really like the way lawyers comment, clearly seen in this blog. You guys are so honest and yet you don’t even have to try to be ‘smart’. I like it. Very refreshing from reading medicine-related blogs.. haha.. Keep it up!
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  • 152 Loh // Mar 3, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    What do you mean by relevant qualification stipulated by the laws?
    If I don’t want to seat for a qualifying exam in order to obtain a Certificate in Legal Practice (CLP), what is the other optional after LLB? I mean in my career.

  • 153 James // Mar 3, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Hi Eddie,

    I currently studying law. I’m curious, after I obtain a law degree in UK and BVC for 1 year, and enter the bar in UK. Which is already a barrister in England.

    When I come back to Malaysia, if I want to enter Malaysia Bar, will they still see my SPM and A-Level? Or I can enter immediately with the qualification of my law degree, BVC and barrister in UK?

    I’m not sure whether it is compulsory for having BM in SPM credit in order to become a lawyer when I have the qualification of barrister in England?

    Looking forward for your reply soon.

  • 154 rachael // Mar 4, 2010 at 12:57 am

    hi eddie,

    i’d like to ask u i’m currently studying commercial law in taiwan catholic university, is considered a law school,have to study 4 years for this degree program. now i m only start the first semester of it and my family suggested me to quit because of the law here all using chinese. and my lecturer advise is the advantage study law in tw is u can develop your career in taiwan and china. what they say 大陸,台灣大陸兩岸關係 and my lecturer.and many taiwan law students wil take the exam and be a lawyer there.and because i m nt taiwan citizens so i dun have the qualification for that.the only way is i have to further my master program in US/UK.. but my family told me that u can also take the same thing in malaysia and go to UK or us also. and it only take 3 years for the degree in MY but tw have to take 4 years. so what advise you’d give me? thanks…

  • 155 vcrpy // Mar 10, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    to james: get a law firm and file in papers to High Court if you’re already barrister at law in UK, you can do chambering immediately. BM thing is only for those who intend to apply for CLP.

    to rachel: ok. not quite understand the gist of your questions. But here is what i think of your situation. 你在台湾修台湾法,在马来西亚是不能被承认为合格律师条件。 因为马来西亚是commonwealth country 而台湾并不曾经隶属共和联邦国之一。当然, 就算你去英国修法律硕士,也不能回马当律师。 要符合本地律师资格,基本上就必须有本地或其他受承认的共和联邦国家大学基本法律学士学位资格(不是硕士)。

    其二,你可以在本地修读伦敦大学校外法律课程(简称 External LLB)。修习课程时间是 3 年。 西马有几间colleges 有offer。 又或者在本地读双联课程也是可行的。

    不过,我猜测你因该是独中生。如果你没有STPM 或 A-LEVEL 国语及格,你将来在申请报读CLP (律师资格考试)时会有麻烦。希望以上所述对你有帮助。

  • 156 vcrpy // Mar 10, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    to rachael: sorry, it’s not STPM but SPM bahasa Melayu

  • 157 rachael // Mar 10, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    hi,vcrpy,
    thanks for your reply..!

    nope,i am a 國中生,i know its weird for a goverment 2nd school to study in taiwan, i think i might make a wrong decision, it waste time and money. so i have SPM cert bt don’t have STPM, and now my family all push me back to Malaysia and start all over again,but she said i need A-level.. so now even i go back,i hv to start my A-level first,actually is that compulsory? SPM is qualified to sit for the CLP also, isn’t it? so i m going back in few weeks. may i know is that compulsory to take A-level?

    and as your opinion, it’s better to come back also?

  • 158 rachael // Mar 10, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    do u mind if we can chat through msn or what? it would be an easier way..?

  • 159 vcrpy // Mar 11, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    to rachael: (1) if you want to practice law in Malaysia eventually, you need to either (a) pass your CLP or (b) being admitted as Barrister at Law in UK.

    (2) in respect of CLP, you have to first obtain a recognized LLB degree (法律学士) before you can sit for the CLP test;

    (3) If you want to study locally (in Malaysia) to obtain LLB, you can either (a) choose to do University London External LLB (伦敦校外法律课程)for 3 years and sit for CLP (b) enrol in LLB twinning programmes (normally 2+1) as offered by few colleges in KL and spent your final year in overseas and sit for CLP after you graduate in LLB (c) enrol in local universities’ LLB program (4 years if i’m not mistaken, sorry i did not graduate from local uni). The advantage of study in local universities is that once you obtain your LLB you don’t need to sit for CLP but only need to undergo a short period of intership in order to be eligible for practising.

    (4) unfortunately, you need either STPM, A-Level or anything equivalent to apply for External LLB program as well as the twinning program (compulsory). I’m not sure about enrolling in local university.

    (5) To sit for a CLP test, you need to have a pass (or credit, i forgot) in your SPM for bahasa malaysia.

    (6) if you want to enrol in external LLB or twinning program, A-Level/STPM/equivalent is compulsory.

    Hope the aforementioned info is of help to you.

  • 160 vcrpy // Mar 11, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    to rachael, again: 至于回来好或不好与否,我无法给与你一定的意见。因为每个人的想法,喜好,愿望 都不同。 但是,我可以为你提供一些ideas and issues。 but in terms of how you approach your life you have to bear the decision making on your own :)

    (1) 你的职业愿望是什么? 你对法律学位的出路了解吗?

    (2)回来好不好?从哪一个角度?工作上?生活上?

    (3)你对当律师这份工作了解有多少?

    (4)个人意见:在台湾读法律,可能将来对你在国际上出路会有一定劣势。我绝对不是说台湾法律不好。而是当下许多国家的司法系统都以英美司法体系为主,假如你能拥有其法律背景,将来在国际化的市场更具竞争性。甚至在中国,许多国际公司,国际律师行都争相聘请有类似法律背景的candidates。 尤其是香港这个中西文化交界重点国家, 沿用的就是英国司法体系。虽说,香港在回归50年后将转为中国法,但用了上百年的司法不是说改就改。而马来西亚也是沿用英国司法体系。所以说,如果你能拥有普通法(common law,英国司法体系统称)背景,在国际上的竞争力会有一定的优势。

    (5)你几岁了?时间应该对你不是问题。我当初也是几经辗转下才去读法律。成为合格律师时都已26岁。不过,人生经历多一点对将来会有多一点帮助。我还有朋友50岁才去当律师。但是他们都干得非常出色。因为他们人生历练都很丰富。在美国,如果你没有basic degree 是不能读法律的。因为他们觉得要成熟一点的学生才能当好的律师。所以,别觉得自己必须从头开始比别人慢一步。只要你能找到你所属的行业,就算你比别人起步慢,到头来还是比别人出色。

  • 161 rachael // Mar 11, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    hi vcrpy,

    ok, means I still have to sit for A-level.

    因為我哥我姐都是獨中生,在我姐那時不停地說服之下,我去了台灣,那時對自己的方向真的很迷茫,所以去念先修班,sth like Pre-U here,不過只在台灣生效,在其他國家沒甚麼幫助吧,之後我在mass comm和法律之間挑了法律,因為我需要一個更明確的前途,在台灣上了一個學期的law course,我對法律的出路有了更深一層的了解,雖然我有很多次後悔那時選擇了台灣,因為我是國中生,不過因為我需要對自己的選擇付出代價所以我沒有做出甚麼改變,則一直抱著‘既來之,則安之’的心態,我已適應了這兒的華語教學,甚至還打算在台灣考律師,在台灣生活,或是去美國念碩士,因為我的教授都是從美國畢業的,直到這次新年寒假回馬來西亞,家人問我有否想過在台念法律的出路,回到台灣才知道就算我拿到台灣公民也要等十年才可以考律師。而且我發覺自己不想等一個十年,也不想十多年長期在外,偶爾才和家人見個面。

    我不知道在馬來西亞是怎樣,在台灣是只要4年畢業,就可以考國家考試,通過之後就能成為律師,或再接再勵再考試去做法官,若不想,也可以選擇當檢察官,或是Consultant之類的,現在我是希望做律師,好像是也有很多種的,是嗎?就是關於Civil Law的,or criminal…
    我21歲,我的確很心急想完成學業,因為我不想兜兜轉轉結果還是回到原點。

    對法律我覺得很充實,好像覺得在那本‘六法’,(我們的法條書)學到很多,和我們的日常生活是息息相關的,感覺也是一行能保護自己的行業,教授鼓勵我們多留意時事,多看新聞之後,我發現很多事情都會涉及法律問題,這邊台灣很多學生都會挨不下去而轉課系,所以興趣對一個學法律的人來說是很重要,至少我到現在對法律還是充滿熱誠的,with no hesitate,i want to be a lawyer.

    致於說回來好不好,自從我清楚我的目標和方向是要當一名律師,我就知道我不能再抱著’既來之,則安之‘的心態了,在台灣念下去,我對‘未來’真的感到很迷茫,好像念了出來沒甚麼作為,也不是台灣法律差,可是我不是台灣公民,很多東西成了阻隔,就算是去大陸發展,大陸到處都是念法律的人,為甚麼要聘請我這個馬來西亞台灣留學生,我懂的他們都懂,他們需要的可能是一些如你所說的英國司法體系的人才吧,我覺得我缺少了‘競爭力’,很難生存的感覺,所以我現在才會想要回國從新來過。

    致於生活上我當然會享受台灣的生活,不過畢竟不是自己的地方,很多東西都顯得很不方便,其實我已經想很久了,我是需要一個對馬來西亞法律出路很了解的人去肯定我而已,所以我應該幾個星期就會回吉隆坡吧,我現在也在訂機票了。
    所以應該是從A-level開始。

  • 162 vcrpy // Mar 11, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    to rachael: 别急别急。。。不怕慢,只怕站。视野要广阔些。读律师的出路是很广的。不一定只要当律师。很多行业都很青睐拥有法律背景的人,尤其是商业方面。

    在马来西亚,执业律师主要分民事与刑事律师。不过,马来西亚的专业市场比较小。所以很多律师几乎什么都做。也有一些所谓的企业律师及顾问。不过这类的门槛比较高。通常都是比较有经验的人担任。我本身是民事诉讼律师。

    在马来西亚,分为东马与西马律师,since 你在吉隆坡,我便简述一下西马的执业律师获得过程。总的来说,先要有LLB (法律学士)资格。毕业LLB 后,每年6 月或7月都有一次CLP 考试。你可以在9 月或10月时跟律师公会报考。然后,直到隔年6月或7月去考试。间中,你可以报读CLP课程 (KL的brickfield college 很不错)。 也可以自修 (不过超难,除非你很有信心)。

    CLP考过以后,你必须找到一间律师楼肯收你为徒,称为chambering(err。。。基本上就是廉价劳工)。挨过一年后,向高等法庭申请律师资格。之后,才能正式执业。

    还有,not to discourage you but merely friendly info to you, 很多人说CLP很难考,因为有固打制,就是给土著比较多位额。所以非土著比较难过。虽然,政府口口声声说没有这种事。 不过,别气馁。我认识很多华人考一次就过。如果真的运气比较不好,还有一个方式就是去英国考大律师资格(barrister at law)。 不过要两年。至于到你读完后条例会不会改我就无法告诉你了。不果如果你喜欢法律,读了再说吧。千万不要因为一些外在的因素而气馁。任何专业执照获得都是有其复杂性。如果随随便便就能做律师,那也不叫专业了。 不过,我必须告诉你,竟然你选了这样只走,你也要时时关注有关于你未来考获执照的消息。因为,马来西亚出了名的朝令夕改。(是不是觉得很刺激,哈哈)不过当你对自己的前途有所规划,当律师就没多大问题了。因为,律师就是在迅息万变的环境下,时时关注与改变战略,为的就是保护当事人的利益。而现在,你就是你自己的当事人.

    祝你成功!

    (我看你是第一个在这个部落格用华语写的,我也是独中生,后来在澳洲留学太久了,所以很久没有写华语了。如果有错的地方请勿见怪)

  • 163 rachael // Mar 11, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    其實我想問很久了,vcrpy 和 eddie是同一個人嗎?

    我在這修的就是那種企業律師,我修財經法律,應該是稱commercial law吧。我還擔心你是國中生,會不習慣用華語交談,因為我以前國中生都不用華語交談,知道去了台灣,連我部落格都轉用國語了,也配合身邊的台灣人和香港人吧。

    不過真的很謝謝你的info,很了解了
    是阿,台灣的甚麼司法又要改革了民國100,就是明年吧

    可以問那你是在西馬嗎?為甚麼你選擇民,不是刑,你是被聘請還是自己执業?在馬來西亞民事的案件會多嗎?那都是在處理甚麼案件多呢?就如我們所念的,好比離婚,遺產,物權,動產不動產之類的嗎?

    馬來西亞有要念憲法嗎?可否分享你當律師的感受與體會?當初你是因為感興趣而念法律的嗎, 你會覺得當律師壓力很大嗎,有否想過中途放棄

    因為我很少接觸律師,以前在新加坡接觸過,那時是想嘗試在law firm做clerk,原本他還雇用我,不過之後他給我test,要我打字,平時msn聊多以為自己打字很快,結果他給一篇article要我打,只是錯了幾個字,不過他說我速度不夠快所以failed了,不過那時我對律師這行業完全沒有那個概念一點都不了解,所以當他解釋他是屬於哪一種lawfirm我也不明白,所以如果你不介意的話又有時間回我,我很樂意分享你的律師體驗。

  • 164 James // Mar 11, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    I’m confused already. BVC takes 1 year or 2 years?

    By the way, I’m from Chinese Independent school too.. Hahaha..

  • 165 vcrpy // Mar 11, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    to james and rachael: oh, my fault. BVC only one year then call to the bar. But to be able to practice in UK as barrister they require you to do another year of chambering if i’m not mistaken.

    For the purpose of admission in Malaysia, you only need to be called as Barister at Law in UK. don’t need to do chambering in UK. But i heard that in UK they’re trying to make it into 2 years before you be called as Barrister in UK i.e. one year BVC and one year chambering. Dunno if it’s true.

    Thanks for pointing out the mistake james.

  • 166 vcrpy // Mar 11, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    to rachael: eddie 和 vcrpy 不是同一个人啦。。。haha。。。我不在西马,是东马执业律师(其实没差多大别,只是admission requirement 不同罢了)。我是在澳州获得执业执照后才回国。家乡在东马。

    我之前也在西马读过A – Level. 至于为什么要选民事律师,因为民事的范围很广。简单一点说,只要是刑事以外的都可以称为民事,商业法,合约法,家庭法等等。个人上说,我不太喜欢刑事。我不太喜欢碰类似案件。我现在主要负责跟进商业诉讼,毁谤,争产等案件。诉讼律师的压力非常大。尤其像我这样还年轻的律师(junior lawyer),法官很喜欢有事没事试探你的实力。而且得面对顾客与法庭的压力。不然就是被法官骂。。。哈哈。 没有自我嘲解的能力,真的很难混。 不过,马来西亚的法官很多都是没有你想象那样厉害。如果你在外国执业过,你就懂什么叫真正的法律专业。我记得我在国外受训时,当时老外法官直接跟我讲,不要以为你是海外生我就会网开一面,我只要最top的律师出现在我面前。接着下来,我的结案陈词就几乎被他攻击得体无完肤。哈哈。。。诉讼律师就是这样。。你必须要能在压力与嘲笑中成长。直到有一天你发现法庭里的人,包括你的对手与法官都聚今会神的听你说话时,你已赢得同行的尊重。。。我才28岁,还没自己出来执业。。。哈哈。但是,在这里,没有很多律师愿意打官司。因为压力大而且赚幅没有在外国那般丰厚。所以,几乎就算你是junior lawyer,根本就要扛起主审律师的责任。虽然压力大及很累,但是学到的东西是在很多地方学不到的。。。而且打民事,会学到很多知识。

    不过,如果你要在非诉讼律师界找到比较前途广阔的经验,我觉得非企业律师莫属(即corporate lawyer)。 如果你能加入大的国际律师行,那么薪金是非常丰厚的。此外,你将来要去国外求职的机会大增。我看过,杜拜很常聘请corporate lawyer (尤其有英美法律背景的)。动辄年薪酬以每年四五十万美金(而且是免税的)起跳。

    马来西亚的专业市场并不比邻国新加坡大。所以,你很少看到有所谓的specialist lawyer 如税务律师 或 企业并购律师。不是没有,只不过通常在大律师行才有而已。此类专才不多。一般律师行什么都做。只是有分刑事或民事为主而已。如果你不打官司,一般都在处理合同,买卖或类似的业务。

    你问在马来西亚要修宪法吗?正确来讲,要看你在本地大学还是本地学院读external LLB 或 twinning program。比如说,你修伦敦校外课程,那么你就只修英国法而并没有修马来西亚法(但是马来西亚还是在某些法律上沿用英国法,比如说类似案件即case law precedent,等你上A Level 的法律课后就会懂)。 而宪法是必修科,不过修的是英国的(严格来说,英国没有宪法,他们是三权分治)。 如果你在本地大学,就修马来西亚法。宪法是必修科。马来西亚是君主立宪加三权分治。我们有一套联邦宪法。台湾与英国都不是联邦国治。他们没有州。所以,你将来在马来西亚执业,就会遇到有些是联邦法律,有些是州法律。而各州法律也有不一样的地方。

  • 167 rachael // Mar 11, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    馬來西亞有修英美法嗎? 台灣有一所大學的法律希是念英美法的,不過就要念5年,如果我念的是台灣那所大學的英美法,馬來西亞還是不承認嗎?
    杜拜不是金融風暴嗎?

  • 168 rachael // Mar 11, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    其實21了又再回馬從新來過我真的覺得很浪費時間,做律師和工作經驗有關嗎?我的意思是如果一邊在律師樓做admin,一邊念書,會好嗎,至少畢業出來不會從零開始,這麼做會更好嗎

  • 169 vcrpy // Mar 12, 2010 at 10:56 am

    to rachael: for the ease of explanation i wrote british/americal legal system. But please do not confused with two of them. They are of separate legal systems and in malaysia we only recognize those who have LLB from British legal system, not american. When i use british/american in my previous blog, i simply mean from international perspective this two systems are most popular.

    In malaysia, the Bar Council (律师公会)is the one who regulate the admission of lawyers. It is a rule that in Malaysia it will only recognize law degrees from certain countries and universities. And Taiwan is not within the list of the recognizable countries thus you still cannot be accepted to do CLP with your taiwan degree.

    金融风暴不一定说薪资就会降低,可能就聘请数额降低。杜拜金融风暴也不过是几个月前的事。发展到后来好像也没有太严重,因为阿拉伯联合酋长国好像有出手相救。 杜拜不过只是其中一个例子而已。还有许多地方如abu dhabi, bermuda,virgin island等地都有高薪聘请海外律师。不过门槛太高了。。。没有specialist lawyer 的经验就不用想了。

    对了,我个人意见是你最好不要半工半读 (除非你很需要钱)。因为律师公会有规定你要在多少年内读完LLB。不然的话就不能考CLP。详细情况跟bar council 跟进吧。http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/

    但是,如果在长假(马来西亚没有暑假)时去律师楼见习(我不太懂华语叫什么,英文叫 attachment,类似internship),倒是不错的经验。不过得看你遇到的律师好不好了。

  • 170 TY // Mar 12, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    I am a form 5 graduated student and am interested in taking diploma in LAW. which one is better? pursue an A-Level course fr 1 and a half year or 3 years diploma in LAW? what is the difference except fr the duration?
    I have a passion for law and it’s not because of the salary. AND i have a good command of the english language.
    I need A-Level to go to overseas and if i use my diploma, will i still be accepted? AND in malaysia, do they teach LAW in english or bahasa malaysia?
    i’m in a dilemma between A-Level and diploma in law. the subjects in A-Level are the same with the diploma. 4 units of economic and business studies and also LAW. 1 and half year is too short and am i rushing and pushing myself too hard if i took the A-Level? the diploma is not so bad itself.

    HELP ME.

    sincerely,
    TY

  • 171 Cynthia // Mar 12, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Hi vcrpy,

    After read ur comment, i know the law is not a easy .

    U r fr East Malaysia…. Sabah or Sarawak. I m fr Sabah KK

  • 172 James // Mar 12, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Is there such program in Malaysia university provide diploma in law?

  • 173 vcrpy // Mar 12, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    To TY: I’m sorry i do not know any existence of diploma in law in Malaysia. But i remembered KDU used to call it diploma in law for its first 2 years (or 1.5 years, i forgot) in Malaysia and after you complete it you may elect to procced your final year to Australia to obtain full LLB . But that was something way back in 2000 or 2001 and it’s now simply changed to (2+1) twinning programmes and thereon i have not heard any college offer any course titled diploma in law.

    And by the way, how on earth a diploma in law course contains Economics and Business courses?! I dunno about these diploma in law thing and you better check with the relevant schools to see if it can be accepted overseas. I only did my A Level in KL and my LLB wholely obtained in overseas. Why do you think 1.5 years for A-Level is hard if you have good command of English? When i did my A-Level it only took 10 months for me to attend the exam and i pass my law subject. That was the intermediate A-Level as offered by Kemayan ATC sometime in 2000 but i heard that eventually the program was scrapped.

    to Cynthia: i’m from Sarawak :)

  • 174 rachael // Mar 12, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    vcrpy,
    thanks a million,i found my way.

  • 175 rachael // Mar 12, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    i’ve found my way*

  • 176 vcrpy // Mar 12, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    to TY again: Can you give me the name of college which offer this diploma in law? 3 years to complete a diploma in law? do you know that you can obtain an external LLB degree with only 3 years as well (exclude the 1 or 1.5 years for A Level)? i believe the diploma in law thing is of no use for your career advancement in Malaysia.

    if you really interest in law (and i assume you like to be a lawyer) then my humble opinion is that it’s better to forget about the diploma in law thing and should pursue a traditional (but more secure) route in obtaining your LLB and eventually CLP or Barrister at Law.

  • 177 TY // Mar 14, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Thx vcrpy.
    SEGI college in sarawak offers a diploma in law programme (RM 33k) and continue a LLB in Queensland which cost RM120k. I checked out the diploma programme and i choose the A-LEVEL, cheap and easy. A-LEVEL costs about RM10k and continuing the LLB in segi college itself. thank you for the advice.

    As for the economics and business studies, i don’t know what does it has to do with anything but maybe it is worth studying.

    and i’m from sarawak.

    sincerely,
    Ty.

  • 178 vcrpy // Mar 14, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    To Ty : Oh, it’s segi college at Kuching. It’s the one that has twinning programme with QUT in Queensland. Ok. Got it. Last time during my admission in Kuching, there were 15 of us and 12 of them were doing twinning programme at Segi College.

  • 179 richard // Mar 27, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Hey guys,
    I’m a SPM leaver and considering Law. So lets say, I finished my A Levels in Brickfields Asia College and LLB in the same college, can I do my chambering in UK? Or must I do my degree in UK in order to do chambering in UK? Btw, is Law degree offered by BAC is regconised in Malaysia? Is there any job limitation for students who took A Levels?

  • 180 stupefy // Mar 31, 2010 at 8:51 am

    i would like to ask if i wish to practice in singapore, what will be the pathway to become a lawyer in singapore?could anybody tell me what will be the next step?any prompt reply is highly appreciated.thank you.

  • 181 Jerry Lim // Apr 9, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    Hi there,
    Can i know whether Malaysia recognise LPC in UK? If i took LPC without practising 2 years in Uk do i still need to sit CLP in Malaysia? If i need to sit do you know how many subjects will be exempted? I dont want to make a wrong decision and make what i have studied in vain because i am afraid i cant get a employment contract after i finised my LPC in UK whilst my visa is expired soon and i will be compelled to leave the coutry. Any advise for me? Thanks a lot!

  • 182 Samuel // Apr 13, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Hello eddie,

    Randomly read your blog to see this intresting disscusion on qualifying to be a lawyer in Msia. Reading this article, i’ve noticed that many students / law grads, have the same old question. What if they were to do the lpc and return to msia without a training contract. Now i was once in this same position. Fortunately for me, i managed to find a training contract and now im a full fleged solicitor with about 10 years of working experience in the UK. I live and work in the legal field here in the UK now. This did not come easy though, as I had to do an initial one year period of paralegal before the firm offered me the training contract.

    Moving on to the main topic here, i realise that by the laws or the msian bar council, a student that has done the lpc but not completed they’re training contract will not have they’re lpc qualification recognised in msia. I am still quite puzzled with this, as years ago when I enquired, there were talks that they’re going to soon recognise it.

    I in particular find this very biased, as I do not see much difference in a LPC / BVC student. The reason that the UK has two different exams to qualify as a lawyer is for the division in the legal pratise here. Bearing in mind, this division is now largely blurred as well, as solicitors here can now take further exams and qualify as an advocate solicitor, having the rights to appear in higher courts like barrister.

    As for Msia, the legal profession has fused the work of a barrister and a solicitor, becoming one, a lawyer. The BVC basically focuses more on advocacy and court etiquetes. Whilst the LPC is driven more towards client care, the corporate world and the inital stages of a litigation case. Now, both of this features are equally important to a lawyer in Msia, as they perform both this functions.

    The LPC is not in any way an easier course than the BVC nor harder. Both this courses have got a very similar base wit the exceptions i’ve mentioned above. I’ve questioned the msian bar council back then, they had no answer as to why the difference between a lpc and bvc student. I bet are still lookin for this answer. Students who to the BVC, come back to Msia to chamber and only then they are called to the Msian Bar. They do not attend the call ceremony that takes place at the barrister’s inns of court here in england as they don’t go thru the pupillage here. Likewise, students who the lpc, are required to do their training contract and they will then be admitted to the Solicitors Rolls. As far as I see it, the student who has completed the LPC and not done the training contract in the UK should be treated equally in Msia as the student who has done the BVC without puppliage in the UK. Reason being, they are treated the same here as law students who have completed a legal vocational training course (BVC,LPC) but yet to complete their official work training. (Pupillage, Training Contract).

    Changes need to be made, and ideally a student who has passed the lpc successfully should be allowed to start they’re chambering in Msia and be called to the bar once they’re done with it. The Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) of the UK holds record fo every student who has succesfully passed the LPC. If the Msian Bar Council doubts the qualifications of any LPC student, the SRA will be more than willing to clarify the position in question. That is all.

  • 183 sha // Apr 17, 2010 at 2:26 am

    hey eddie:)
    ive just finished my spm recently .

    if i would like to further my studies in law,should i enter a local university or private colleges which offers law (taylors etc).which is a better choice?

  • 184 Mave // Apr 20, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Samuel,

    I take it that you have never sat for the BVC prior to making your comments. I’ve had the opportunity to sit for both the LPC and the BVC and I can assure you that they are not the same. The LPC is more of an extension of a law degree but the BVC is on a different level as it is a lot more independent and practical.

    Further, BVC graduates are called to the Bar by their respective Inns. They are not prevented from attending the ceremony for the sole reason of them not having a pupillage.

    According to the General Council of the Bar, upon being called to the bar, a barrister would obtain his right of audience. However, he may not exercise that right until he completes his pupillage. This does not prevent him from exercising his rights to reserved legal activity prior to the coming into force of the legal services act regarding the provision on legal services.

    Further to the issue on training contract and pupillage, it is tough getting a training contract but it is even tougher securing pupillage and subsequently, a tenancy.

    LPC and BVC graduates who have yet to complete their training contract or pupillage may be on par when it comes to representing a person in Her Majesty’s Courts but that does not prevent a person who has attained the title barrister-at-law from representing a person in a forum that does not require the ordinary rights. This is common in England for barristers who couldn’t exercise their right of audience. It is no different from what they were trained. However, LPC graduates who are still waiting for their training contract would normally join a firm of city solicitors as a para legal with the hope that they would receive an offer for a training contract.

    Cheers!

    Mave

  • 185 Mave // Apr 20, 2010 at 9:36 am

    vcrpy, BM is required to be called to the Malaysian Bar. You have to sit for the BM Admissions Exam or obtain a certificate of exemption from the qualifying board.

    It is called Pupillage in Malaysia and in England or Hong Kong. Look at Section 12 of the Legal Profession Act 1976 (Malaysia)

  • 186 Victor // Apr 28, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    vcrpy, appreciate if you can assist me in making decision. I am currently 25 years old and i was a STPM student.I got 2 principal enough for me to get into some college for external llb. Now, i am working as an insurance loss adjuster.I am in the general department which handle loss regarding most on property damage such as lightning, fire, flood and so on. I have an ambition to become a lawyer and at least at my age of 30, i can pass the CLP and registered as lawyer. Some friends told me not dream about it as it takes time and might as well stay and become adjuster. If no, until the age of 40 only i can success in law industry or get a little well-known .Further more, let say at the age of 30, i would be a newbie in law industry and people are far more advance into their career. And most people said LLB is not easy.What my plan is, i will take up a external LLB part time, and it will take 3 years and another year for CLP. At the same time, continue in loss adjuster line. Will the career in loss adjuster help me in the future if i were so lucky to pass all levels and enter into law industry?Or it would make start from zero (0) all over again .

  • 187 Lynnette // May 1, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    Hey people,

    Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question. But from what I read from all the comments, I am not too sure about one thing regarding the LPC.

    After LPC in England, and a 2 year training contract, we can practice in Msia. What does it exactly mean? Meaning we can be called to the Malaysian Bar and practice as a lawyer like those who did CLP in Msia and BPTC in UK?

    Do we need to do pupilage in Msia after LPC and the 2 year training contract in England?

    Any help would be much appreciated.

    Thanks in advance! =))

  • 188 upsetsoul // May 3, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    dear all,
    i have just graduated from UOL. Sadly, with a third class. What’s worst is that i miss 2;2 just by 2 marks. I was very keen in doing my clp & hence practicing. Iwas also hoping in joining the UN as a legal council in my later years.

    However, seeing how the situatuion has turned out, my dream of becoming a lawyer has gone down the drain. Is there anyway for me to practice?is the BAR possible?can i appeal?

    Plus what are my other options in the legal world. I’m aware upon the fact that i have to work 2/3 times harded than normal people and i am willing to slog it out but all i need is some sort of direction. Please advice on my possibilities for it’s even difficult to find work right now.

    how do i get back on the right track?

  • 189 rizam // May 24, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    how i want to apply for magistrate post and where to apply

  • 190 vcrpy // May 25, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    To Victor (post 186),

    Forget about what people says, be it LLB is hard or let the others tell you what to do with your life. Be yourself for god sake. 25 is young and let me tell you it matters not how old you are but how good/talented you are when you want to prosper in general industry. I’m not saying that age is not an essential factor but at least in law, i have frens who only started to practise law in their 40s and even 50s and they are doing well (including financially) at their age. The industry does not judge you by your age but what you produced. So if you are aspired to become a lawyer and you have passions for law then go for it.

    Of course, also ask yourself why you want to do law? Don’t fell in love with it simply because you think the profession is glamourous or earns you a lot. In places like Malaysia, lawyer is not a lucrative career (of course there are always exceptions) but it’s more a career that can provide you stable lifestyle (well, also depending on how you define lucrative). Unless you have connections with the large businesses or organisations or really good at demanding areas of law then you might be able to be successful in terms of financially.

    With all due respect, i cannot see any practicable connection between your work as adjuster and lawyer. At best you might have established some social networks with the insurance industry and perhaps you might be able to join their legal panel easier in future but the lucrative side of the business is not to be the insurance lawyer but to sue their clients and hopefully get things settled before proceed to trial (to be plaintiff lawyer).

    By the way, according to you or your fren’s logic that it’s better for you to stay as an adjuster rather than becoming successful only in your 40s as a lawyer, I assume you are implying that lawyer is slow at accumulating wealth or reputation. Unfortunately, yes it is. Legal reputation is something you have to take time to establish BUT it has its potential. Let’s say you are able to be successful in your 45 and you can still work until 65 which means you still have 20 years of successful career.

    I believe you yourself know what you want most for yourself. Age is not a problem and is only a problem if you ‘think’ it’s a problem. (but don’t think of career change when you’re in your 55!! that would really be a problem :p …)

  • 191 Victor // May 25, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    VCRPY,

    Thank for the feedback, usually, how do we determine do we really want to become a lawyer or not? Is there any test such as career test during our secondary school? In my path of becoming the loss adjusters, i experience some fraudulent claim where we know that ppl are lying, but simply because the evidences are beneficial to their side, we couldn’t do anything. This goes to the traditional thoughts also, when we watch law series in the drama, the lawyer always got cursed because of twisting the fact and helping the bad guys from getting away of prison. But, in the other way, those are their professionality and also responsibility to their client. I hope you understand what i meant. If i were in that kind of scenario, i think it would be the most difficult chalenge to me and couldn’t even sleep well.

  • 192 vcrpy // May 29, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    To victor,

    Well, why do you want to be a loss adjuster then? Lawyer is just a career itself. You yourself know wat you wanna be.

    Lawyer’s duty is not to find the truth but to ensure that a person is having a fair trial. The Court/judge is the one who determine the truth. The lawyer as portrayed by the drama series is totally so untrue. In real life it’s not as what you’ve seen in the movies.

  • 193 Rachael // Jun 7, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    Hi Vcrpy,

    May I ask you if I’d like to seek for some advice bout the testament issue, what should I do? get a law firm and ask or what? Do I need to pay for the advice…

  • 194 Rachael // Jun 7, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Dear vcrpy,

    Sorry , May I ask actually do you think that 2+1 twinning program is better than 3+0 ? and also besides Brickfield college, any another college is good in law course also.?

  • 195 Rachael // Jun 7, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Actually is because Brickfields twinning program start on next year ,January 2011, but 3+0 start on September.. I wish to take 2+1 also, Pound dropped also. means if i take twimming program i can graduate by 2013, if 3+0 is year 2014, of course if financial totally not a problem i’d take 2+1 with no hesitate, so would you mind to give me an advice in this and the testament also.?

  • 196 vcrpy // Jun 9, 2010 at 11:28 am

    to Rachel,

    (i)sorry i’m lost here, what do you mean ‘testament’ issue? Please clarify.

    (ii) i’m afraid i cannot give you much advice about the details/strength of local colleges as i did not attend any of them b4. Brickfields is the more famous one (if not the most). Others i’m not quite so sure. I heard HELP College offers very good LLB programme too. As to whether 2+1 is better or not, my opinion is if you have the extra cash to spare, it’s always better if you can study overseas as the experience you gain is invaluable. 3+0 is not designed to provide you with outstanding learning experience but rather an affordable one. Also, i believe those with overseas degrees are generally more favorable in the eyes of employers. However, i must make myself clear that there are truly some outstanding lawyers out there with external LLB background. Being study overseas merely means that you had the chance to see different things and cultures which is a good thing to enhance your knowledge and your life perhaps.

  • 197 Rachael // Jun 9, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    遺囑的問題,我不知道怎麼說,很抱歉

  • 198 deepak // Jun 9, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Hi Eddie,

    I have tried to get some information from the website(s) of Bar Council of Malaysia (and recently from the MAICSA) but nothing seems to be available.

    Hence I would like to pose a few more questions in continuation to the one I posted a little more than a year ago (see No. 23, dated May 24, 2009)

    1. Need some information on the following:

    (a) Can I undergo the 9 months of chambering without having to do my LLB (in Malaysia) all over again?
    (b) What is the Certificate in Legal Practice (CLP), is that applicable for Indian lawyers?
    (c) Will I have to pass the CLP exam before applying for an internship with some law firm?
    (d) after passing my CLP and completing my chamber practice will I be eligible to register with the bar council in Malaysia and practice as a corporate lawyer or in-house legal counsel in companies?
    (b) can I be eligible to get a permanent job in some firm?

    2. Is it compulsory to know Shariah law, to work in the corporate sector?

    3. I am also currently doing my Company Secretarial Course from the Indian Company Secretary Institute (ICSI) in Bangalore, India.

    (a) Will I have to do the whole course all over again if I wish to work as a CS in Malaysia or will I be able to (a) find work as a lawyer and / or CS by just submitting my certificates and relevant NOC’s from the BAR counsel and ICSI

    4. Will I have need a student / work visa to come to Malaysia for the CLP course and 9 months training programme?

    I have visited Malaysia twice so far and really like the place and would like to come there and settle down. This information would really help

    Thanking you in anticipation

    Deepak

  • 199 vcrpy // Jun 9, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    to rachael,

    In malaysia, most law firms help to administer Will & Probate issue. It depends on what kind of service you required from them. If it just some general queries then they’re free. For example, you can go to law firm and ask them whether your situation needs a Will and so. Then they will tell you what they opinion is and if possible you will engage them to do it for you for certain amount of fees.

    In malaysia, most lawyers do not charge hourly fees like how many mins you’ve consulted him. Maybe some of them do (the very best one perhaps but to be honest i haven’t seen one before).

  • 200 SK // Jul 1, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    I am currently staying in england and just finsihed my LPC- Legal Practice Course which i have been told that this is something equavalent to CLP in malaysia. I’m wondering, do i need to take CLP if Im going to malaysia to practice as a trainee solicitor? Any idea? or perhaps any exemption if I need to take CLP after my LPC in england?

  • 201 Lynn // Jul 25, 2010 at 11:30 am

    as suggested by June , how does one find one’s way onto the path of becoming a corporate counsel ?

  • 202 Eddie Law // Jul 31, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Lynn – when you said corporate counsel, do you mean a lawyer who is attached to non-law firm? if this is what you meant, the answer is for someone to work in the legal department of a company, the candidate will need to have at least LLB law degree, and if he/she has private legal practice experience in law firm (as corporate lawyer) will definitely be an added advantage.

    However, I have also seen candidate who did not work in law firm before and yet has a successful career being an in-house corproate counsel.

  • 203 Eddie Law // Jul 31, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Hi deepak, below are my brief answers to your questions:

    1. it is very difficult for foreigner to admit to Malaysian Bar and practise law as law pretitioner in Malaysia must either be a Citizen of Malaysia or resident of Malaysia. Pls read http://www.laweddie.com/wordpress/a-consideration-for-foreign-practitioners-entering-the-legal-profession-in-malaysia/ for more details.

    2. It is not compulsory to know Shariah law in order to either practise law or work as in-house lawyer in corporate sector in Malaysia.

    3. I am not sure about the exemption on ICSA.

    4. the answer can be implied found in my Answer No.1

    In fact, it is possible for foreign lawyer to work as in-house lawyer win corproate sector as long as the company is willing to hire the foreign lawyer to work for them and manage to obtain working VISA for him/her.

  • 204 legolas // Aug 1, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    dear eddie
    im taking my spm tis year.
    alot of ppl have been encouraging me to do law as a career.
    but my parents wan me to do stuff like engineering and accounts.
    cud u pls tell me the pros and cons of becoming a lawyer?
    is it easy to get a job after u graduate?

  • 205 serena // Aug 2, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    I am a LLB Holder (hons) (2.2) and waiting for my CLP result. It is my 1st seating.However, i dont have any confidence with my result . At the same time,I got an offer of BPTC for this year. As such, i am still thinking if the BPTC course is better for me . But the cost for BPTC and living expensses in uk is around RM120,000 and it is same qualification as CLP. Is the BPTC course better than CLP??? Will i train to be better with BPTC?
    I read the comments from Ying and found out a new route of legal practice. However , i could not find any further information about international lawyer through internet. Can i be an international lawyer with CLP qualification? Will the BPTC creates more chances of mobility?

  • 206 Arthur // Aug 2, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    I want to ask a question about the admission into the malaysia bar council
    Why the LL.B degree holders of HK university are not recognized by Malaysia bar, as HK is also a commonwealth country.

  • 207 michael // Aug 9, 2010 at 12:00 am

    hi, im michael with a third class LLB from UOL as an external student. Well, its tough for me to accept the fact with only a 3rd class and it turns out to me as a nightmare in my future. I’ve been searching many other ways or jobs via the website but i didnt get any 1 or any solution based on my 3rd class. Well, i truly hope there’s someone can share with me what can i do and i’m really appreciate it. *lost in the future*

  • 208 Eddie Law // Aug 9, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Hi Michael,

    I do understand your frustration and anxiety, BUT I must tell you that getting 3rd class in your law degree is definitely not the end of the world.

    If at all you are not able to practise law in law firm but there are many other options than working in law firm, e.g. you may work as legal officer in a non law firm, become legal editor, joining government service and other law related jobs.

  • 209 Jerry // Aug 10, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Hi You Guys,

    I am new here. Does anyone know whether a person with a US law degree (JD) and an LLM from UK could take a Malaysian bar exam? Thanks for your response.

  • 210 Surri // Aug 11, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    Hi Eddie,

    I am not a law student, so i don’t anything about law. However, I have this friend she claimed that she has a law degree and as soon as she got her law degree from ‘university of london’ (is that such an university?) immediately she became a Legal Adviser for an investment bank. I asked why so, she said because she has obtained good result for her degree. Is that such a short cut to be a legal advisor? Also, may i know if she will need to go through her chambering?

    Thank you for your reply Eddie.

  • 211 Elaine // Aug 12, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Dear all,
    I have recently been called to the Bar in England & Wales and right now my hunt for employment officially begins. My question is similar to Surri where I’m confused as to whether the decision to work in a legal department of a Bank will count towards my chambering for qualification purposes. My understanding is that it is not possible to do so.

    Alternatively, I am also interested in joining the big firms in KL in their corporate department (particularly those with international firms affiliation), as such I would like to enquire as to their criteria for a chambee and future prospects of becoming a specialist lawyer ( if sucessfully employed) in the said field.

    Thanks

  • 212 elicious // Aug 14, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    hi eddie,

    from your 2009 aug 12 comment,you said that there are 2 law firms who offers scholarship.is this still true now?and if yes,may i have the details please.thanks.

    regards,elicious

  • 213 craig // Aug 15, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Hi Eddie

    to be called to the malaysia bar, one must have had 2 principal passes in the STPM or its equivalent. I studied in Singapore and received a diploma from a polytechnic there.

    Do you know if my diploma would be considered as equivalent to the academic requirements (STPM) so as to be eligible to be called? thanks so much and cheers for helping so many ppl out on this site!

  • 214 Li // Aug 19, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Surri

    Actually you do not need to be a qualified lawyer with practising certificate to be employed as a Legal Advisor in Investment Bank. But if she decided to practice as a lawyer in future, she has to go through the 9 months chambering stint in order to be a qualified lawyer. In strict sense, she is not a qualified lawyer; legal adviser is merely a title.

  • 215 Vivian // Aug 22, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Hi Eddie,

    I am 29 years old and have passion in Law since high school. I would like to change my profession as Legal Advisor. I know its a bit too late that is why i want to do it now, better than never.My questions are :

    1) Is it too late for someone my age?
    2) Where should i start? i have 9 years working experience and a degree in Comp Science from Univ Putra Malaysia

    Thank you

  • 216 Eddie Law // Aug 31, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Hi Vivian,

    It is never too late for anyone taking law.

    I used to have classmate in law school who is about 50 years old.

    Since you have a degree, you may call any law college to equire about the course, I believe they will give you few options to start with.

  • 217 Pebbles // Sep 12, 2010 at 3:24 am

    Hi Eddie

    I am Malaysian but a UK-qualified solicitor (having done the LPC and with 2.5 years post-qualification experience in corporate law). I am considering a move back to KL. I would appreciate your answers to the following:

    1) Will I need to do the CLP and chambering in order to practice in Malaysia?

    2) What salary can a 3-year qualified lawyer in a medium-large size firm in KL expect to receive?

  • 218 Eddie Law // Sep 12, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Hi Pebbles,

    1. I am not too sure about this. Perhaps the best body you can check with is the Legal Qualifying Board.

    2. For corporate lawyer with 3 years of PQE may expect a salary range of RM5k – RM5.5k in corporate law firm in KL. (let me know if you need my help in exploring job opportunities in KL).

  • 219 Ang // Sep 14, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    I was accepted by London U to do an external law degree twice as a matured student. I did not take up the offer. I was informed that if I ever wish to apply again, just quote their reference number. I have been working in private law firms for more than 30 years in litigation and practically done everything that had to be done, short of arresting a ship. I have been toying with the idea to re-apply and start that course. now. It is also a step back having to do the 3 credits in SPM. The idea was just to get that degree. Getting the 3 credits and passing the CLP or the Common Bar Examination is something of the future if I ever decide to practice in Malaysia. It would be nice to get some opinions from anyone.

  • 220 Eddie Law // Sep 14, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Hi Ang – if you are sure that you want to be a practising lawyer in future, the only thing you need to do now is TAKE ACTION. If you want a change in life, you should Do whatever it takes to pursue your dream.

  • 221 Lim // Sep 14, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Is it possible for a UEC holder to practice law, if I did not go for A-Levels for pre-law studies? I’ve checked for entry requirements for this Brickfiels Asia College, it stated “The entry requirements are 4 SPM credits (including English) and 2 A Level or STPM principals or equivalent; recognised diplomas or degrees”

    I am now form 4 in independent chinese high school, and my english is not that good. Should I give up studying for UEC, and go for A-Levels in some other colleges after SPM?
    Is there any special “personality” or “talent” to become a lawyer?

  • 222 Eddie Law // Sep 14, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Hi Lim – I am from chinese indepedent school too. Since you realise that English is your weakness, you should spend more effort to improve it from now onwards. Remember there is a Will there is a Way. I personally come across many successful lawyers from chinese independent school as well. One of them became partner in a large law firm (70+ lawyers in the firm) in KL when he was only 33 years old and another became Magistrate (lower court judge) in the age of 28.

    I didn’t do my UEC as I wanted to do A-level instead so that I can enroll to 1st year of law course immediately after A-level. This seems to be “faster way” to graduate from law degree. I glad that I made the right choice as my English had improved tremendously during my study of A-level. Of course, I was struggling for it till I almost wanted to give up. But again I am glad that I didn’t give up eventually.

    Despite my comparatively poor command of English, I was one of the “top scorer” in my class.

    All these are real life stories and they happened previously, are happening now and will also happen in future.

  • 223 boyzondanet // Sep 15, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    At the end of the next year i will complete my diploma,so i planned to pursuit my dgree level to B.Juris in UM as a mature student but must sit for CLP if want become a lawyer because B.Juris is the external course..so if i want to be a magistrate,judge,registrar,legal officers ( government servant ), should i take the CLP or just enough with the B.Juris to hold the positions?

  • 224 Eddie Law // Sep 15, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Hi boyzondanet, I am not sure about the requirement of joining the legal services in government. Perhaps you can check with the Judicial and Legal Services Commission.

  • 225 Lim // Sep 15, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Eddie, thank you so much for the advice and encouragement! I will try my best to improve my English. Thank you.

  • 226 vcrpy // Sep 17, 2010 at 11:23 am

    to lim,

    there’s no need to do CLP if u want to apply for magistrate or government legal posts.

  • 227 boyzondanet // Sep 17, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    vcrpy….are u sure? where can i get information about that? thanks 4 dat…

  • 228 vcrpy // Sep 23, 2010 at 11:38 am

    boyzondanet,

    Any legal officers including magistrate, sessions court judge or DPP or those from Attorney General chambers, are considered government employees WHEREAS those Judges from High Court upwards are not government employees but instead of their own institution and only removable by convention of the Sultans of Malaysia.

    Therefore, basically if you’re government employed legal officers you are not required to have CLP. Instead, the Attorney General office is empowered to issue a Special Admission Certificate thereby render your appearance in court to be valid. (see s.28A Legal Profession Act 1976).

  • 229 Peter // Sep 30, 2010 at 2:26 am

    Hey, I am currently waiting for my results and anyone here can tell me how to apply for a magistrate? Thanks alot I appreciate your help.

  • 230 Eddie Law // Oct 12, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Hi Peter, you may visit the The Judicial and Legal Service Commission website (www.spkp.gov.my) to know more about how to apply for the position of magistrate.

  • 231 Confuzzled // Oct 18, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    Hi Eddie,

    What is the salary range for a 6th year in-house lawyer in Malaysia in a MNC?

  • 232 Eddie Law // Oct 18, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Confuzzled – it varies but should be about 15% -30% higher then average private practictioner’s salary in Malaysia.

  • 233 SK // Oct 19, 2010 at 12:21 am

    hi Eddie

    Do you have any idea for a student studied English Law GDL which equivalent to LLB could take CLP in Malaysia?

  • 234 Cedric // Nov 28, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Does a graduate with LLB, apart from applying to serve the government with the post of DPP, MAgistrate allows them to work as a ‘legal adviser’ for a non-law firm without having to do its CLP?

    Thanks

  • 235 vcrpy // Dec 7, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    cedric, normally those commercial firm would only hire those experienced lawyer to be their legal adviser. it is very unlikely that one is able to work as legal adviser without having acquired some experience in legal practice. you might be able to work as some other non-law related positions or compliance officer but to be legal adviser it is a norm that you should have at least be few years in practice.

  • 236 Cedric // Dec 8, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Thanks.

    Does ‘in-house’ position dictates the same meaning of having experience in legal practice.

  • 237 vcrpy // Dec 9, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    hi cedric, my answer to your last question is ‘most likely’. It is rare for companies to take those with no practising experience at all as their in house lawyers unless you’re able to pull the strings behind the scenes (well then, that’s different story…). Normally some experience in practising is expected.

  • 238 stupefy // Dec 9, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    hello everyone,i would like to ask is UUM law degree holder exempted from taking CLP?and if someone is called to the bar in malaysia,is that person considered a qualified person under singapore legal act?i have read through the requirements to be a qualified person in singapore but not really get the points.can anyone clarify it for me?any prompt reply is highly appreciated,thanks in advance.

  • 239 Cedric // Dec 11, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Unlike any other career, I believe law is the one the area which a student / prospective student needs thorough checking with the ‘relevant board’. As I already have a degree in business and awaiting reply from CLP whether I am classified as a qualified person to sit for the CLP upon completion of LLB which I shall ONLY commence or defer the course in LLB in January upon DEFINITE CONFIRMATION from the UOL and CLP. Playing the safe game.

  • 240 Cedric // Dec 11, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    thanks vcrpy

  • 241 JRN // Dec 13, 2010 at 4:51 am

    Firstly i appreciate your efforts on providing such info of the legal career in Malaysia, especially to fresh graduates/ final year students. kudos to you.

    To cut the story short, im a 7th semester law student, in a local university. note that my university has just obtained the CLP exemption.
    i met and talked to most of my seniors and that they seemed to have a steady job in mid size firms. few of them are in their pupilage under several respected law firms in Malaysia.

    I admit that i am not that bright straight A’s student. I had represented my university in a national- round competition (a legal based competition, but not mooting)and this coming January will be representing my uni of the same competition.furthermore, ive held one of the top posts in my uni’s law society, and had participated in about 5-6 legal forums in malaysia, managed several uni projects under the law society, too. suffice to say, i am an active student here.ive completed my attachment in a high court, and also in a respectable mid size law firm in selangor.
    and that looking at my current CGPA, i would, perhaps graduate with a 2nd class degree (based on my uni’s standard)

    so now im thinking of completing my pupilage in a respectable firm,that will give me many exposures and opportunities, not just for the sake of completing my pupilage in a firm.(if u get what i mean, here).

    just recently, ive done some searches of many respectable mid-size law firms, (a mental preparation for my pupillage)and found out that most of the partners or LAs are foreign graduates.and that they demand good result. so yes, i felt intimidated and i question myself, whther i am up to par to apply for my pupillage there, or not.

    to make it worst, i even met a respectable lawyer who underestimated local grads, esp my uni, stating that it would be super hard for use to survive, since my uni is not as ‘popular’ or notably known to the legal fraternity.

    my main concern is that, with a not so impressive result, studying in a local university, but with a good interpersonal/soft skills, will i be accepted to complete my pupillage at such firms?

    i am seriously worried about this, and that i am in dilemma, to certain extend, regret my choice of reading law in my uni.

    please give advice. your advice will kindly be appreciated. :)

  • 242 vcrpy // Dec 13, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    To JRN,

    To me it seems you’re not confident enough. Good marks in uni is just a starting point but it’s not a doom of your future. Go out there and make an impressive conversation with the partners during interviews. It’s how you get employed. We need lawyers who dare to act like a lawyer. If you’re good at studies but does not have the guts to be like a lawyer then you’re mostly likely to end up in research room acting as someone else sidekick. So be more confident and don’t look down on yourself just because you’re not from foreign universities or some famous law school. In fact, a lot of good lawyers never attended these so called ‘reputed law schools’ b4. So next time if any lawyer tell you he’s sorry for you because you did not graduate you from foreign law school perhaps you can tell him politely that a respected law school does not neccessarily makes you a respected lawyer so with all due respect he can kiss my ass for saying things like tat. If graduating from foreing universities is essential to become a good lawyer then i believe our court can decide case based on the counsel’s acadamic backgrounds instead of the merits of the cases next time.

    I’m not talking as if i’m some kind of a crybaby local graduate who cannot break into the legal circle and in fact i’m graduated from foregin university too but i just want to make it clear that it’s you yourself that make you a good lawyer or bad lawyer and it’s not your academic background.

  • 243 Ruby // Dec 16, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Hi everyone,

    May I know what is the current average salary for lawyer after 9 months chambering? My case is a bit different here, I graduated with LLB in 2007 and I worked in financial institution (but not legal department) for about 2 years until I got my CLP this year. Right now I am working in a MNC company doing contract & negotiation (started after clp exam) and I’m going to chamber next month.

    So I wonder when I finish chambering next year, would I be given sort of a higher pay compare to a fresh lawyer without previous working experience?

    Thanks!!

  • 244 Cedric // Dec 19, 2010 at 12:32 am

    Does the ‘real earning power’ came from commercial law as compare to the rest of the fundamental specification of law area to practice like conveyancing, corporate, banking etcs.

    Ignoring the fact of partners and highly experienced lawyer, I would like to hear the fact that does the average high income generated from commercial area category?….as what I have been usually told.

    Correct me if this is just another assumption.

    Thanks

  • 245 vcrpy // Dec 20, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Cedric,

    That’s not how the legal market in malaysia works. Unlike our counterpart in Singapore or other western countries where legal practice is branched out into many specifications, most malaysia lawyers are either doing civil works or criminal works. In other words, we are selling rojak, be it civil rojak or criminal rojak. Very few lawyers have the luxury of specialising in certain field of law like tax law or international law except you are talking abt those big law firms. So in general, commercial law is part of civil rojak and it is unlikely you’ll only work on commercial projects if you go into general practice unless you work for those bigger law firms where they have more specialised departments.

    Now back to your question, it is hard to answer your question because you’re talking abt whether commercial law generate higher income in general. The problem is, most of us don’t sell cucumber only in the rojak. It comes with the rojak itself :)

  • 246 Eddie Law // Dec 20, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Hi vcrpy & Cedric,

    I agree with vcrpy’s comment and just wanted to add – there are some boutique law firms in KL who are only specialising on corporate finance works and their fees are usually very lucractive.

    As to what areas of practice will generate the lawyer most income, it is really depend on how you look at it.

    In certian practice, the legal fees may not be as high as oppose to other practice but because the “turn around time” for the file/case is fast hence if you have high volume of files then the total fee may be pretty handsome. Usually it is possible to get bulk file/work for this kind of practice.

    I think the deciding factor in choosing an area of practice should fall on what is your strenght. If you have the requisite strenght, I am sure you can do the job well and if you manage to do the job well then $$$ will follow….

  • 247 Eddie Law // Dec 20, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Hi Ruby, the starting salary for a lawyer who has just been called to the Bar in KL is RM2.8k – RM3k. If the candidate has other experience, he/she perhaps can use it as a point to negotiate for a higher salary but at the end it is solely depend on how the firm perceives your experience.

  • 248 Cedric // Dec 20, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Ahh. Thanks

    I have just received a letter from LQB that my current degree certificate in Marketing is acceptable to do CLP by then. Ha…a definite confirmation from the board … am safe to proceed with my LLB now starting next year Jan 2011.

    Ok….so we are …as much as detailed and professional in the legal line…we are selling rojak…probably that makes us uniquely Asia as a rojak qualified lawyer.. lol… cheers…

  • 249 vcrpy // Dec 20, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    hi cedric,

    Since we are in the ‘boleh’ land so everything is possible… :)

    Be that as it may, actually you come to think of this. By practicising in malaysia (i mean in general practice), it means that you’ve got to have a grasps in many areas of law (esp civil practice) which makes you a literally walking encyclopedia if you would allow some room for exaggeration here. Don’t take me wrong… general practice can be very lucrative if you stay long enough in the game and know what you’re doing. Knowing your law + knowing the right person + doing the right thing + a little bit of luck, you’re easily a millionaire … ( ‘ah…correct, correct, correct’…..muahahahaha!!)

  • 250 Cedric // Dec 21, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Ahhh.what an evil laugh…..SO VCRPY… is one millionaire… All eyes on this pseudonym commenter!!

    I have seen requirements under specified jobs. Any differences in terms of ‘PQE – Post Qualification Experience’ to a normal term ‘Experience’. What does this PQE tells us about….

    I am exploring on the opportunities in a law firm, given that my course commences next year… 3 years of studying + 3 years of experience… hmmm… should be fair enough to build my career by then…

  • 251 vcrpy // Dec 22, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    PQE means working experience (normally in related profession) after you’ve been admitted as a lawyer. So in malaysia, if you saw job ad which requires a lawyer with PQE + 3 yrs it means it is required that you must have at least 3 years of working experience after being admitted as a lawyer.

    Experience is a more general term (which may include PQE or before PQE).

  • 252 shii // Dec 23, 2010 at 12:48 am

    excuse me.. i had just finished the SPM exam. im quite interested about studying law. can I know the path going to be a certified lawyer? i’m not rich and hope to study in local uni. how can i do that except study in matriculation and foundation in law?
    can i study pre-law in college and make further study in local uni? which uni and how?

  • 253 twgang // Dec 23, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Can anyone explain to me how come majority partners of local big firm graduated from overseas instead of local public university??
    Thank you.

  • 254 anonymous // Dec 24, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    twgang… (with respect and with no intention to discriminate) if you’re rich do you think you wanna buy imported cars or proton?

  • 255 twgang // Dec 29, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Definitely I will buy imported car but I saw Eddie Law comment on serena’s post that there will be no different between local and overseas graduate if working in Malaysia. Is it true?

  • 256 Eddie Law // Dec 29, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Imported car has its advantages and disadvantages and vice versa. So at the end the thing matter most is what are the requisite features of the car that you want. If you want a superb air-con, so far, I think proton still the best.

  • 257 Cedric // Jan 1, 2011 at 1:33 am

    A Car discussion out of nowhere?…

  • 258 TWL // Jan 1, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Hi Eddie !! I just want to know more about being a lawyer …. To begin with , i have just finished my SPM and i am waiting for my results. …It is really a tough decision for me to choose what i want to study in the future …. because i don`t even know what field i am interested in …. I am struggling in btwn law and accountancy … which my mum said these two can earn pretty well … and is it easy to get a job as a legal advisor ??? and also is it true that you need to memorize lots of stuffs while studying law ??? sorry for so many questions … Thanks !!! =)

  • 259 Wong // Jan 2, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    Geetings Eddie and all,

    Happy New Year 2011. I would like to make some enquiries regarding the pre-requisites to practice law in Malaysia.

    To cut the story short, I have a degree certificate in Commerce from Curtin University of Technology, Australia. However, my graduation date was 7 years ago and i have been working with a shipping company in the field of Sales and Marketing since then. I did not sit for A-Level nor STPM but admitted to Curtin Uni using my UEC result.

    Throughout my working years, I found myself extremely interested in the area of law and plan to embark a new career journey in legal career. I am thinking to join Multimedia University(MMU) law program next year only if my current qualifications allow me to be called to the bar after I done my law degree smoothly within next four years. Am I required to sit for CLP after my study at MMU? From MMU websites, I am aware that law graduates are exempted from CLP due to the similiarity of course outline to those law degree conducted by local university.

    Appreciate your kindness to shed some light on my enquiries and thanking all of you in advance

  • 260 Desperate // Jan 2, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Hi Cedric

    I have a situation almost the same as you, I am holding a degree certificate in commerce and would like to pursue a law degree.

    Can I know whom to contact and how to go about
    to get the confirmation from LQB?
    getting confirmation from the Board? Look forward to hearing from you.

  • 261 Cedric // Jan 3, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Hi Desperate,

    You have to call the LQB 2691 0054 and asked to be transferred to the CLP admission department. A better solution would be to fax (26910142) a letter and your certificates…which was what I did.. to the board and they will get back to you within a week’s time. I dont think they entertain emails.

    You must ensure that your certificate are recognised by the now MQA. U can check the accreditation of your degree course online at the MQA website – http://www.mqa.gov.my

  • 262 Cedric // Jan 3, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Attention the letter to the Director of the CLP Board…

  • 263 TWL // Jan 3, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Hi !!! just asking to become a lawyer , must i take a-levels ?? or can i take a diploma and a 3 years degree ???

  • 264 Desperate // Jan 3, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Thanks Cedric for your reply…One more question i would to ask you, did you sit for A-level or STPM before?

  • 265 Cedric // Jan 4, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Hi Desperate,

    No, I did not sit for A-Level or STPM. As per the letter, my degree would be held as an equivalent to satisfy such requirements.

    Of course, they did state, if there is any changes, I would have to satisfy the new rule by then.

    Cedric

  • 266 Desperate // Jan 4, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    Cedric, am really grateful for your reply. Wishing you all the best in your future undertakings.

  • 267 Jeen // Jan 6, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Hi,

    I’ve just finished my A-level. May I know if ATC College is a good one in this area? If I get a UOL LLB, can I work in overseas? After obtaining LLB, I have to sit for the CLP right? Err… but I’ve also heard that CLP exam is like very very tough!

    I hope you can help me with the above questions. Thanks. : )

  • 268 Cedric // Jan 7, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Some informations are provided for free throughout the website and you can also seek advice from the respective department directly.

    This provokes me to tell all the aspiring graduates or soon-to-be enrolled into law courses, please call the institution directly, check the malaysianbar website, call the LQB, read this forum and whichever avenue to seek answers directly.

    The question of tough in academics….does not even justify the amount of time, effort and stress a person puts in when he becomes a lawyer… just like any other jobs.

    Studying is tough? Working is even more tough! Prepare to face the world once you got your scroll rolled up in a little ribbon which only can say so much theoretically.

  • 269 PSSK // Jan 10, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Hi there,

    I am currently employed and Im very much interested in pursuing Law. I have a total of 7 working years. My question is, is it possible to study law as a part timer and what are the pro n cons of taking up law at my age now( late 20′s) . I don’t want to take up Law solely because I’m interested. I want to make sure being a lawyer can secure my future and demand for lawyers are still high in Malaysia. Pls advise, as I’m in the midst of planning for education advancement .

    Thank you

  • 270 Raymond Chu // Jan 11, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    Just thought of sharing some experiences for over 10 years since I completed my chambering by end of 1999.

    When a freshie starts his life at the Bar, well, almost all have fanciful dreams of making the cutting edge in practice. In reality, we wait and sometimes, a little more sacrifice, on our resources and time and above all, our will to survive despite all odds.

    No doubt, real practice is thrilling !
    Yet, the name of the practice is often not spelled in alphabets that we are accustomed. The storms and clouds of doubts are just as much part of the law as they are not supposed to be.

    It is getting out of a situation of injustice to the path of reality that makes the living proof of practice a life and believe me, not all can.

    The good and the reliable are just as much a virtue to the so so and so so. By then, if you are so so, then, so are you ,but the not so so, is perhaps, just about to begin the journey. May be, not the same journey, but the path of justice to make it to a so so is what ambitions made living is all about. Let those who have eyes see.

    I am also just learning…

  • 271 Lawyerdaddy // Jan 12, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Hi,
    My son plans to study law. Someone said that graduate from Singapore U like NUS is not required to take the CLP test. Is that true?
    Also, which pre-U is better for law degree, A level or Australia SAM?
    Pls advise. Thx a lot

  • 272 Eddie Law // Jan 14, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    Lawyer Daddy – you are a good daddy. You should check with the Legal Qualifying Board as to the latest requirement for CLP examption.

    I prefer A-Level as one may choose law relates subject in A-level and I personally prefer UK law degree than Australian as we cited mostly UK case law as precedent in court.

    Well this is just my personal preference. In the legal market, I don’t think the employer will have any preference on graduates from specific overseas country needless to say the pre-U course.

    So your only consideration is whether Legal Qualifying Board recognise SAM or not. Check with them.

  • 273 Emelia // Jan 18, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Hi Eddie,

    I finished my Pre-U just awhile back and was wondering if Taylor University’s Law school will be a great start to becoming a Lawyer in Malaysia. Can you advise me, please?

  • 274 anonymous // Jan 19, 2011 at 10:02 am

    taylor university will be a great start to becoming a tailor :)

  • 275 Accountant // Jan 27, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Hi Eddie,

    Thanx for the blog, it’s really helpful.

    A bit of my background to start off with; I finished my double degree in Monash University (Bac of Commerce & Business System), majoring in Accounts. I then moved to Hong Kong, completed my ACCA and worked in one of the medium size audit firm. I moved back to Malaysia in 2008 and continue to work in the same associate firm.

    In the same year, i started studying part-time LLB with BAC, i am currently in my 3rd year. I have stopped working in audit firm, instead, i have moved to commercial and works as an accountant.

    I intend to take CLP and practice eventually. My husband is a developer and I wish that my qualification in law can help him.

    When i first started working as an auditor in HK, the workload is crazy. Basically, i leave office, on average, 1am and start working again at say, 930am. But i was young and eager to learn, i enjoyed the craziness.

    Now, well, not too old and still eager to learn. the only thing pulling back in my daughter of 1 years old.

    My question is,
    1) with my law + account background, what will be the best career path?

    2) In terms of securing a pupilage with medium to big size law firm, will my auditing and accounting background of great advantage? I remember once heard my lecturer telling me lawyer cant do numbers, and if i have the qualification of both, it will be very advantageous.

    3) How many years of experience one need before they can start up their own firm? As mentioned, hubby is a developer, am thinking if it is possible for me to start up a law firm doing conveyancing, and make my hubby my main client! Hahahah..

    I love the job satisfaction i got then when i was working in the audit firm, the speed of my progression (and of coz the increase in salary) really drives me to work harder. Now, as a working mother, I wish to have a balance life and yet, earning a decent income.

    Please advise :)

  • 276 Raymond // Jan 27, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    If money is good, which I think accountants make the most, why really bother to do the CLP.

    CLP is not only difficult but is an awesome wonder for an ordinary law graduate to make it and believe me, the path to success is beyond the horizon unless you are sure every step you take is leading you in the path of glory !

    ACCA is more grand compared to CLP. Of course, you cannot practice in both, the LPA forbids that.

    However, if you are ready to take your family at the backseat and make the most of your future in a legal firm, then, maybe, your ambition to make the practice your next challenge is your destiny. Your choice is finally yours to make.

  • 277 vcrpy // Jan 27, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    to accountant,

    I object…lawyers can do numbers and in fact some of them are good with numbers! You’ll know what i’m saying once you’re in the profession :P

    Lawyer or accountant? well, it all depends on whether you really like to practice or not. In terms of pay and balance of life i would actually think that accountant is able to achieve that in Malaysia. You can work with larger commercial entities which most likely to give you decent, stable salaries and benefits whereas if you want to practice as a lawyer in the bigger firms the working hours are equally crazy in KL , esp. with corporate and commercial practices.

    On the other hand, if you’re thinking of working as a sole-practitioner because your husband is a developer then that’s a different story. The practice of sole-practitioner is nothing less than volatie. It depends on what is your aim and what kind of practices you intend to establish. If you only want to assist your husband in his development projects then perhaps you’re likely to earn some decent income (depending on what kind of projects your husband is handling and whether they’re consistent)…generally 2 or 3 years of conveyancing experience with the right firm and mentor should allow you to come out yourself and start handling general conveyancing matters (mark my words…’general’ conveyancing matters, not complicated ones).

    With your accounting background plus overseas working experience well i believe you might have some edge over the others at those bigger law firms especially those who are dealing with tax laws or corporate laws. Or else, i do not think one actually gains upper hand with accounting experience when practising law (no offence:p )

  • 278 Raymond // Jan 28, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Your objection is overuled.

    I am a sole proprietor legal practitioner.

    All banks prefer to have at least two lawyers to handle banking work. That means sole proprietorship is automatically singled out in the competitive banking market. Long time ago, some banks do allow sole proprietors to take on ad hoc basis, (10 yrs ago, if not mistaken) but not anymore today. Before I became a sole proprietor, I had served with a once good college lawyer friend of mine (but not anymore) (who was also a sole proprietor) whom I met in ATC 15 yrs ago when I did my Intermediate LLB London ext. legal studies.

    I don’t think he is in the practice anymore, since the Bar Council directory did not disclose his name nor his firm’s name in the search engine.

    Speaking from my experience, it takes not only skill, knowledge and a professional attitude, but a lot more sacrifice than you could have ever imagined once you began life as a sole proprietor.

    This is not about work stress but the commitment to pull yourself through everytime you face a challenge ahead.

    Not easy. Without the banking steady income, you are literally left on your own to survive.

    There will be real estate agents who ask for a much higher discount on your legal fees compared to others. Will you then compromise on the professional standard of yourself being a lawyer then ? If you are caught just once, unlucky as it may seem, that will ruin your professional reputation for good !

    A lot more are not taught. Maybe you are fortunate to have a family to support you.

    In long term, think about the setbacks you will be facing and what you will lose since your ACCA can settle you comfortably with a steady income for your family today, tomorrow and in the future. What will you do then, if the CLP do not match up to your expectations ?

    From a law student viewpoint, I will not put any suggestions. However, to a family person where there is family commitments, what is taxing on you in the future by giving up your ACCA job today may never be redeemable.
    The decision is yours to make.

  • 279 vcrpy // Jan 29, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    to Raymond

    Can you pls explain why my objection as to lawyers cannot do numbers is being overuled whilst the gist of your response has nothing to do with my objection? :)

    By the way i kinda agree with what Raymond said upstairs BUT i must add that what the accountant meant is whether she can practice as sole-practitioner in assisting her developer husband. In fact, i have few lawyer frens who also have family members that involved in developing business and they’re also sole practitioners themselves serving mainly family business. I must say all of them are doing okay (i’m talking in terms of around 150k – 200k profit p.a. here as a sole-practitioner). So long if you are able to refer your clients to the banks then some of the banks allows you to act as their ad hoc panel.

    Practising as a sole practitioner is not easy especially when you have no existing family backups or contacts. But when you do have one (and esp a strong one) then that’s different story.

    But the most important to accountant is her own balancing among her interests, job stability and family time. Different people have different perspective over the profession. Not everyone end up the same eventually.

  • 280 Raymond // Jan 30, 2011 at 9:15 am

    If you have read your column with a little more intensity, you will discover that your priority is all about the word money.

    My comment is about survivalhood and the adaptability with the change of times.

    I am surprised to find out that the exam -orientated culture is so much a custom as it is on monetary gain and somehow the whole purpose of going into legal studies is much a pursuance of wealth, fortune and fame.

    To disappoint you by just dropping a comment here is nothing compared with the battles one will face when one enters the profession.

    I don’t comment on ethics and what not, but it is undeniable that the prevailing circumstances and situations that lawyers find in real time are astounding just like as facing an uphill battle everyday.

    Not all are born with a silver spoon ready to be spoonfed and if somehow, that is the picture that you draw in your comments, then who am I to suggest that what you reap is what you sow, ge that, even though, it is literally undeniable, perhaps, not too graphically.

    I do agree with the above commentator though,
    law practice may be lucrative just as the reward and stakes are high and so is the risk involved.

    However, that should never once be the drive to read law as a student and practice as one who drives the point of law in the battles of everyday later. To do that will mean that you have lost your conscience and the soul of the practice of the literal law in the ordinary sense of the word.

    Ponder about this since you have the time before you decide. Never too late to understand yourself first before understanding the law.

  • 281 anonymous // Jan 30, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    I don’t agree with what Raymond said.

    What’s wrong with vcrpy in helping others to have a grasp about what the expected salary or income within the profession is? Are you ashamed of making money as a lawyer? What is wrong if a person wants to earn a stable or higher income out from the profession? Everyone has a choice of his own to make and if he wishes to sacrifice his own interests for money then that’s his own choice to make and it’s not up to people like you who come up here and tell people what to do and what ought not to do.

    What’s wrong with the CLP system? Shock to find out why people pursue legal career only for the sake of fame and money? Well then why don’t you go and blame the TV, blame our society for keep painting a glamourous picture over the legal profession then. Look at how many parents around us hoping that their children could one day become a doctor or a lawyer. Do you think ‘money’ itself is not part of the element besides earning respectable reputation within the society? Wake up man…money may not be everything within the profession but can you say it’s not important? In fact, if people ask about the earning stability then what is wrong by answering something relating to money?…as earning is equivalent to money isn’t it? I’m not saying a lawyer must traded his professional ethics for money here but there’s nothing wrong if an able lawyer earning good money out of his profession at all!
    Money can draw top talents, prove me wrong.

    Take another look at the English legal system then. A successful barrister means what? Queens’ Counselship and higher fees. What do these two status implicate? Fame and money isn’t it? Many top QCs are charging millions in their legal fees. So many young lawyers or lawyers to be out there admire and strive to become one. So what now? They are all disgusting as well? Are you feeling shock to find it out? Are you going to tell all successful and rich lawyers out there stop doing the profession for money and stop charging expensively because, to use your own words above, “To do that will mean that you have lost your conscience and the soul of the practice of the literal law in the ordinary sense of the word. ”

    I would put it to you that historically it has been a ‘culture’ that most people enter the professions such as lawyer and doctor because they think fame and money entailed the professions. I don’t deny that some people doing it for passion but you cannot equally deny that people doing it for money too! Do you need to be ashame of that? NO. It’s perfectly fine for a professional to gain rewards for being a good and capable one. What’s wrong with that? you tell me.

    There are lots of successful people out there who’re not interested in what they’re doing but they’re talented in doing them and making money out of them. If money is the drive behind them to keep them going, what’s wrong with it so long they did not offend you or do something unethical? It’s all a matter of choice eventually a person has to make by themselves.

    You’ve said you were only commenting on the survivalhood and adaptability of becoming a lawyer but in fact your comments mostly paint a grim side of practising as a lawyer. It’s nothing wrong with that because you’re actually helping others to realize the setbacks a practising lawyer will face. But it doesn’t mean that others who came up here and talked about earning capacity should deserve a criticism.

    Never trade your soul and conscience for money BUT if you’re established and skillful lawyer money will ensue without the need to sacrifice the aforesaid but it takes time, endurance and patience to do so. Simple as that.

  • 282 lawyerou // Feb 6, 2011 at 10:08 am

    it is cool to be lawyer!!!!!!!!!

  • 283 Raymond // Feb 6, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Ask yourself whether it is as simple as that. No lawyer will agree with you , as simple as the way you describe and on what authority are you complaining for and on the profession’s legality standing !

    If you have the decency of the word law, you will realise, this word is the birthmark of the very essence of your existence.

    You can’t even own up to yourself what more put it in your very words, ” as simple as that.”

    You must be joking !!!

    One more remark to correct about your impression about legality of work and remuneration.

    If you need an example to see the value on each side, then try this example. Take for example, a cow. A cow feeds on grass. Without grass as the staple diet, the cow will not produce milk. Without milk, there will be no cheese and the supermarkets will not sell milk nor any milk product either.

    In other words, for an end product to serve its purpose, it must come from the source and the staple diet which is meant as the primary food chain for one. The same goes to services.

    One should never put the cart before the horse. You have no right to comment on the point of remuneration yet if you have NOT even begun climbing the ladder from where you are.

  • 284 N.Chandran // Feb 6, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    I’m a practising litigation lawyer for more than 25 years and i must say i have to side with what mr or ms Anonymous had propound before. You’ve made your point here. Despise it or not, the legal fee is one of the most sensitive and widely discussed issues within our profession. Hate it or not, the more experienced and skillful a lawyer is (esp with litigation practise) the more expensive his or her legal fee would be. What Anonymous said is a true reflection of how legal profession works. By the way, you have a very sharp reasoning skills, are you a practising lawyer yourself mr./ms. Anonymous?

  • 285 Eddie Law // Feb 7, 2011 at 1:03 am

    Hi Emelia, Taylor’s Uni has a well established law school in M’sia. However, the more crucial thing to consider is ranking of the UK university that they link to as you will be seemed to be graduated from the UK uni insted of Taylor’s Uni.

  • 286 Raymond // Feb 7, 2011 at 8:56 am

    The prompting question here is on a hope to practice conveyancing and whether an ACCA graduate should hang up her ACCA qualification and opt to become a lawyer finally (after 4-5 years of legal studies and completing the chambering) and spending huge sum of monies for this LL.B degree and CLP .

    We are not talking about litigation agendas and skills in court. Just pure academic interests and whether a future awaits beyond the horizon.

    Let us be frank. If earning capacity is the drive for success, then, why put all your ‘eggs in one basket’ knowing that the CLP hurdle is not an easy one to overcome.

    Will not your ACCA experiences and exposure in the market forces deteriorate ?

    The LL.B experience is usually meant for first degree takers unless your job is related or perhaps there is a higher ladder to climb.

    Overall, from the way the LL.B is shaped, professional people will think of more prestige and honour in pursuing a law degree after having successfully made their career.

    Career satisfaction is always the pursue of honour because that is the glory of the ‘cream’ of the profession whether it be in accountancy or law.

    If money is the excellence of life, then, what is honour ? The LL.B degree is all about honour, not money. The monetary reward comes together but never the honour in making more money first.

    A good practitioner ( especially a non-alcoholic one like me) will tell you that reality lives to be accounted for and your life is yours to own, whether you like it or not.

    If this is a risk adventure, I have nothing to say.
    But this is about the interests of not only you, but the whole society together with you and you making out of what you can do with your conscience to be as effective as you can be, just like the example given earlier in my post, of a cow. Your end product of service is what counts the most.

    That means consistency and good conscience holds the key to good legal practice, not the pursuance of wealth.

    There is no ultimatum of success. A lawyer need not be rich in order to be successful. However, if by becoming rich at the expense of your conscience, knowing that, the sky is the limit, isn’t it true that someday, you might just be another chap waiting like the rest and asking,
    ” Have I overdone it ?”

    Wealth can just be a mirage as it can be a reality.
    The beholder thinks but not necessarily be the master because your conscience is the better self in you to tell you why.

  • 287 kev // Feb 7, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Just stumble across Eddie’s blog and found some interesting discussion here. Worked with big law firm in Singapore and Frankfurt. Now corporate lawyer (major in restructuring and trans border deals) with international firm. Never ashamed to admit that i’m earning 6 fig salary in USD and i’m happy with it. I don’t think pursuance of wealth is anything evil or that people should feel ashamed of. The reason that i’ve chosen law as my career is because i believe it is one of those professions that can potentially generating higher and stable income and i worked hard to earn what i’ve deserved. Pursuance of wealth and self conscience do not neccessary conflict each other unless you choose to. I have never in my professional life sacrificed my conscience for money. And yes, anonymous, MONEY DRAWS TOP TALENTS.

  • 288 Raymond // Feb 7, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    If only money draws talents, then, the circus might just be the first place to begin.

    No kidding, that is because money will only mean taking more of your time and more monies mean more of your time will be channeled for your legal work which is usually lingered with backlogs and etc.

    If good money in return of investing so much time creates more monies than your earnings, then, presto ! cherio to you.

    But, if the return is not what you expect, having climbed the ladder as a professional, will not disappointment and a big upset awaits you without you knowing when and how it comes ?

    Also, it is the business sector that spins the fortune of wealth not law. Of course, having worked in a foreign company do provide one with the edge but the issue relevant here is will CLP mark up to to your five to six figures bill by the end of coming out of the exam hall, given that you scored first at the first attempt.

    If yes, then, CLP would have already been accepted as an accomplished world recognised international qualification on its own and that means local ones here can work abroad and export our ‘expertise’ by earning that five to six figure which even experienced practitioners dare not say !

    My education would have make me a rich man by now, that is, just by academic qualification alone. In reality, there are lots more to learn and relearn.

    Money creates a space in time for you to take charge of your life but the effort put in to be successful counts more than money can ever buy !

  • 289 Jen // Feb 7, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    Raymond, stop being a crybaby and your argument does not hold water okay…you sound like a sole prac who has nothing to do (if you are one indeed!) but to take your ‘gallant’ speech on the internet… Why not spend your time on your briefs or works (if there’s any) instead of chanting your sacred vision over the legal profession on this blog? It is you who need to be realistic here! In order to defend your own speeches you are making aggressive comments against a lot of people here. And you’re now even humiliating the CLP system!! By doing so you’re only implicating that those who took CLP are essentially more inferior than others with overseas qualifications!!! We only need people to come up here to provide construtive opinion like vcrpy who was only giving his/her own opinion as to what kind of income one can expect. No one knows what your point is and instead of wasting Eddie’s data memory in this blog why not you go milk the cow with your cow theory?

  • 290 Raymond // Feb 7, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    If you have the decency of language, which you simply don’t, ( that explains why the falling pass rate for CLP every year ), really, what do students learn nowadays… you just can’t beat the good advice which I have repeatedly stated here.

    That’s the difference between a law student and a practitioner. Maybe, your parents need to educate further,how about an advance english course before you start any course, really a degree in law may not be your first choice anymore.

    You will hear such advice from any good lawyer.
    I am merely speaking out a little because I know there is a good cause for me to write in.

    You have even the least of all understanding what legal practice is about and you dare write nonsense to degrade those who are already practising before you read anything.

    What do you learn in schools which you haven’t learn at home ?

    Really, good upbringing speaks a lot about the way one conducts oneself and mine you, that is the word you will see in ethics course. Anyway, you probably don’t need this since that may not be your cup of tea, after all !

  • 291 Raymond // Feb 7, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    There is a correction on a spelling error on the word ‘mine’ which should be replaced with ‘mind.’

    At least, that’s a good correction !

  • 292 Jen // Feb 7, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    See everyone…this raymond, self professed “sole practitioner”, is so free to reply (or retaliate) others’ blog over the internet. Please la Mr.Grammar Fantanstic, if you have so much time then i suggest you go milk your cow with your cow theory and i bet it is more productive than wasting your time defending yourself here. No one is agreeing with you here.

  • 293 stupefy // Feb 7, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    okok cool down everyone it seems like i have come to a battlefield instead of a knowledge-sharing blog.erm here is my question:around 6 months of legal-related job experience,will that experience put my ahead of other law fresh graduates when i am applying for job?Thanks in advance for any reply.

  • 294 Raymond // Feb 7, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    I am an advocate & solicitor in active legal practitioner in Malaysia since 04.11.1999.

    I am a holder of a valid practising certificate 2011 with a professional indemnity insurance 2011 from Lloyds Thompson, the only broker insurer by Bar Council and I am a registered legal practitioner and a qualified member with the Malaysian Bar.

    I write since Eddie also knows this is a difficult issue especially, when there are some who will be difficult such as the ones like some of you.

    We all know, it takes a ‘rapture’ to turn back time for legal students to be law students just like we were back then.

    Back then, we had attachment programmes conducted by universities (U.Malaya) to be precise where law students acquire some exposures in legal practice with law firms recommended and put on the notice board.

    Guess, those were the good old days !

    I was lucky to be one of the very fews to be on attachment programme after completing my CLP at U.M. for 3 months with a legal firm here.

    6 months may not be adequate. The chambering process is quite different from your legal studies.
    During chambering, chambees (that’s what fresh chambering pupils are called then) have to complete a certain number of hours of legal aid with the respective state legal aid centres.

    All in, some basic skills and ‘display of talents’, if you insist are already on’ training.’

    Even then, chambees must be guided at all times. Only research and all legal opinions must be discussed and decided in meetings before any action be taken.

    Most of the time, we learn by listening. Keeping quiet and observing the customs of legal practice and of course, office politics must be followed strictly and every word uttered by lawyers then , is like gold.

    Respect and greetings are a must. Also, we learn by letting the seniors do the talking.

    Back then, the seniors really take care of the juniors. I had been lucky to have some experiences also in volunteer services with the K.L legal aid centre ( during then, it was located at the Straits building) for more than 1 year even before I started my chambering.

    Another friend of mine was also doing the same after our CLP exams.

    So, I have come full circle. Believe me, 6 months is not enough. You need a year at least, in a law firm to learn adequately and even then, those are the basic fundamentals which can be very textbook orientated issues.

    Any more difficult, you need to spend time listening and learning from the seniors. That takes patience and lots of time. One more piece of advice, always do your homework and memorise lots of case laws and statutes and be fully alert in meetings. You never know when a question is proped up for you and you don’t wish to be embarassed unnecessarily.

    Actually, only a minority ever get to sit in such a meeting, that is with clients. That is why 6 months is not enough.

  • 295 Accountant // Feb 8, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Ironically, neither of the the three questions i raised involved the question of money but somehow the discussion was lead to that.

    No doubt, one of the reasons i am changing my profession is because of my desire to earn more money, and i am not afraid to admit it.

    Raymond, sorry i have to tell you that accountant does not make money, with 5-6 years of experience + ACCA qualification, one is not earning anywhere near 5 digit.

    Another point you mande on more money
    mean taking more of your time. Here, at least money and time works hand in hand. In many profession (like audit/accounts), it’s not the case.

    Thanx to all for your comments on questions raised. In short, my accounting knowledge probably will not add much value to my career as a lawyer. Generally, i need to work in a law firm for 2-3 years before i can practice as sole proprietor doing general conveyancing work.

    =)

  • 296 Raymond // Feb 8, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Thanks for your reply.

    Finally, you say something.

    If you have made up your mind, then, good luck to you and your family.

    Not many will be willing to change their professional career mid-way.

    You are right. You do need 2-3 years in a law firm doing general conveyancing work.

    However, do you know that some legal assistants never get to sign anything impotant and actually, the reality goes even much more …
    well, I don’t need to elaborate. Just don’t get unlucky with your profession and clients. Nowadays, liability can be a huge sum to pay.

    I am very, very , very satisfied with my contributions to my work and profession.
    No liability at all for over 10 years and that is something I can marvel on for many many years.

    I hope to be able to continue in my legal service. But, it seems there is hardly any business coming my way. I operate from my house using my house address. The rental at Puchong area is just overbearing and with no business and a annual RM2,300 plus , towards my BC subscription and professional indemnity insurance, this is already overloading on me .

    Not easy but I hope you can make it finally.

  • 297 Tan Kian Siew // Feb 11, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Hi,

    I am currently doing the Graduate Diploma Law Course (long distance Full Time) with BPP College of Law, London.

    Upon completion, I plan to go to London next year to do either the LPC or BPTC.

    As my the GDL is not a 3 year degree program, would I still be able to practice in Malaysia upon completing one of the two above mentioned Academic Stage programs.

    Thus, if a was to become a qualified solicitor in the UK (training contract), would I be able to return and practice, or if this not the case, would I (can I) do the CLP eventhough I do not hold a LLB but have completed the LPC in the UK.

    Please advice.

    Many thanks.

    Kind Regards,

    Kian Siew

  • 298 Raymond // Feb 11, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Just checked and discovered that the Graduate Diploma Course is the first step towards the Legal Practice Course to qualify to either practice as a solicitor or barrister in U.K.

    Under the local Legal Professional Act 1976, the qualification under Notification in s.3 LPA1976 makes no express reference to such foreign postgraduate courses as gaining direct admission to practice as Advocate & Solicitor in Peninsular Malaysia.

    Therefore, the requirement if entry via Certificate of Legal Practice is still applied.

    Even if, a common bar exam under local circumstances will to take place, the qualification of entry to practice as an Advocate & Solicitor will still be maintained.

    There is only one admission and the LPA 1976 only recognises the admission as an Advocate & Solicitor in Peninsular Malaysia.

  • 299 Raymond // Feb 11, 2011 at 10:41 am

    correction on the word ‘if’ which should be ‘of’ entry.

  • 300 Regel // Feb 15, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    actually , i am interest about how much a “normal” lawyer get paid in Malaysia , is it really low? can give me a figure to refer? thanx eddie!

  • 301 Eddie Law // Feb 15, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Hi Regal – the starting salary of a qualified lawyer in KL is about RM2,800 – RM3,000/month currently. However, some corporate firms do pay up to RM3,500 or more.

  • 302 Wahoo // Feb 18, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Hi, I have just taken my SPM last year and I’m waiting for my SPM result to be released in around March.

    I’m from East Malaysia, I heard that for West Malaysian, you have to take STPM or A-level in order to get qualified before you take LLB in a university. And for East Malaysians, we no need to take STPM or A-level but we can take foundation in order to study LLB, is that correct?

    I’m currently thinking of taking foundation in Bond University College and then take the LLB in Bond University. Would I still get qualified after I come back and took CLP?

  • 303 Raymond // Feb 19, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    For entry requirement into foreign university, I believe a student need to acquire a minimum score in TOEFL English test.

    In those days, there is an English 1119 test. Almost the same standard , maybe the criterias are slightly variable.

    As for your choice of University, you may also check with distance learning, a popular choice until today is the LL.B (London) external programme.

    Also, University of Malaya is offering a similiar legal study called the Bachelor of Jurisprudence. For local entry level, a credit in B.Malaysia is a must.

    As for Australian universities, the English TOEFL is a requirement since this is a foreign university. You may find that you may need to spend years abroad and this could be a cost factor added for accomodation, winter clothing etc besides the course fees.

    As for CLP, you may have heard that in the near future, there may be a common Bar examination for local universities which are almost geared to be at par with the CLP ( which practitioners and academicans are still deliberating) and it would not be surprising, if the common bar exam will raise the standard of overall performance of candidates both locally and foreign.

    So far, there is yet any refresher course for foreign graduates abroad other than the CLP.

    The CLP is a very tough entrance level into legal practice in Malaysia. You may check with the CLP board whether such is a requirement for the university of your choice later.

  • 304 Carol // Feb 23, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    hi eddie,
    i have viewed those very previous discussions about a lawyer’s life in Malaysia.
    i too had just taken SPM last year. i’m a debator for about 5 year during my secondary school life. normally people would like to say that a debator should become a lawyer if he or she is interested in laws. is this an advantage for if i want to study law?
    yet, i heard that CLP is very tough to get pass, but actually how is it?
    what’s the path of a degreed lawyer after uni? as i know it will be a so called pupillage period for about 9 months. how is the life and works during this period. and what will be after this pupillage period?

  • 305 vcrpy // Feb 23, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    hi wahoo,

    For the LLB part – for australian universities, you can study their foundation and then gain admission into their law schools. Bond University is a private university in Queensland. It has an acceleration LLB programme where you can graduate faster (no summer holidays!!). If you study their foundation then no need to take A-Level or STPM.

    For admission part – it depends on where you want to practice eventually i.e. west malaysia or east malaysia. If you want to practice in west malaysia then you have to study for CLP. Currently there are 12 or 13 universities in Australia which are qualified uni for CLP purpose with their LLB degrees and Bond University is one of them. If you want to practice in east malaysia then so long if you gain admission at supreme court of any State in Australia then you can straight away come back to east malaysia to do chambering without the need to take CLP further.

  • 306 Raymond // Feb 24, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    That seems to indicate that being a graduate at law is not sufficient to enable one to practice in Klang valley. Academic qualification may be one aspect but practice is another. Seems the entry into practice is a lot tougher than it was then. Wonder how the letter-head of some legal firms here with such qualification will look like in future, that is, if CLP is a requirement even for all such qualifications. If so, then, there may be a differences between those having CLP and those without, especially if in the past, the CLP wasn’t really a requirement then since an exemption is allowed then, if I am not mistaken. Stand to be corrected here.

  • 307 Raymond // Feb 24, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Sorry for the typing error, ‘a’ differences should be typed as just, “may be differences”. The word ‘a’ is deleted.

  • 308 BooBoo // Mar 1, 2011 at 12:21 am

    Hello there , I am 20 years of age and I sat for my STPM last year . Some of my relatives are encouraging me to take up accountancy as it holds a bright future while the other half are encouraging me to take up law as they claim that I would make a good lawyer . I am very confused on which course to take . I love both accounts and law . So it would be great if anyone could share me the pros and cons of being a lawyer and maybe other career prospects with this degree . I would also be grateful if anyone could give their opinions regarding careers involving accounts. Thank you and God Bless :)

  • 309 Doreen // Mar 5, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Hi Eddie,

    Im happy that i found this website and i have several issues here..

    1) The UM has come out with the BOJ advertisement today in d star paper..

    2) I have Diploma in Business Admin and due to financial status i didnt pursue my studies and now that i am more stabil in life financially and FYI im 31 and my single dad is a lawyer in Malaysia..its been ages that i loved and had the passion of taking up law, i dont intend to pratise law soon but what i would like to do is to take up , learn n see the worlds of law that i love dearly since i was young..so, can i pursue now under the mature entry with UM and with BOJ can i be a lawyer in future….

    iwould appreciate if u can let me know if BOJ is good for a start n to obtain a securing job…i am currenly a teacher in a chinese high school..i am searching for degree courses in Business admin but my instinct is pushing me hard to take up the BOJ…

  • 310 blitzkrieg // Mar 5, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Hi, I was wondering if anyone can advise me whether taking a diploma in arbitration is a good idea? Will it hold any weight in the working world when I graduate and will it give me an added advantage? Thanks

  • 311 Vivien Quay // Mar 6, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Hi,

    I have a question regarding the Bar Vocational Course (BVC). Currently I’m second year LLB(Hons) student from a local university called Universiti Sultan Zainal Abidin. We are obviously not in the list under LPQB therefore chances of doing CLP is high as we have not got accreditation yet.

    So I would like to know if Bar Vocational Course (BVC) would exempt me from CLP and subsequently be admitted to the Malaysian Bar after my pupillage?

  • 312 Leong // Mar 9, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Hey Eddie,
    Well I just finished high school and results just around the corner,I was thinking about taking Law as I like reading and have no problem with memorizing stuffs,plus I’m not so bad with my language skills.
    The problem is that I’m really not into debating/arguing and stuffs like that,its just not my way.
    Now,I have friends that told me I should consider taking Law as my reading and memorizing skill is good,but I know I suck at verbal skills.
    I had snoop around those education fair and ask bout Law,mainly from ATC and BAC.
    Their response is just plain and normal,
    ‘Its ok if your verbal skills is not good,it comes with years and training’
    True,but then I stumbled across this blog of yours and found that the pay for lawyers isnt that lucrative and we all know non-bumiputras are usually not prioritize.
    I am from the Science stream but not that good with Add Maths and Science-related subs(save for Bio)
    I am confused as to should I really take up Law,not that I have a huge passion for it.
    Or I should reconsider taking other fields of studies,I had in mind for Biology or even Microelectronics and Physics(but I’m not sure if the job opportunities is good)

    Is verbal skills really compulsory?

    Thanks in advance.

  • 313 Norizzati // Mar 18, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Hi Eddy!

    I’ve got an offer from Birmingham UK for LLB for Graduates. The LLB for Graduates is a graduate-entry programme that leads to the award of an Honours law degree (LLB) after two years of academic study rather than the normal three.

    My question is:

    With this certifcate, will I be eligible to practice law in Malaysia without having to seat for chambering. Considering that I am not a fresh students, and I have an internship experience with Corporate Legal for about 8 months. I am double degree holder.

    Appreciate if you can provide me with any references or souces on how to become qualifie lawyer in Malaysia with this certificate.

    Many thanks!

  • 314 DJ // Apr 1, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Hi Eddie/anyone on this blog,

    Any ideas of how to secure a paralegal job in US? UK?

    Any openings in law firm is Brunei?

  • 315 jessie // Apr 1, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    hi can i know what are the career options after my LLB as in before i take up my CLP.

  • 316 Raymond Chu // Apr 1, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Since 11th January 2011, I have contributed some of my experiences and understanding which I believe, is common subject matter within the ordinary knowledge in the legal circuit today.

    As of now, CLP is the basic requirement to legal practise in Peninsular M’sia. If you ask, whether there is another alternative to the CLP qualification for foreign universities students, then, as far as this is understood until today, there is none other than the CLP examination.

    Why is it so difficult to pass the CLP exam is largely due to the compulsion to pass in all five examinable subjects in one sitting or at least, 4 out of 5 examinable subjects.

    If a student only passes in 3 or less out of 5 subject matters, then, repeating all five subjects up to not more than 4 attempts are allowed under the CLP examination system. Every repeat is counted as 1 attempt, including the referral paper for those who pass in 4 out of 5 subjects.

    Some subjects have a combination of a few other papers. Hence, the bulwark of academic studies and examination conditions are real pressure which explain why the CLP is such a difficult exam, not because of the exam itself, but is by large, attributed to the limited time constrain to self-discipline oneself to pass in at least 4 out of 5 subjects in one sitting.

    Many felt little confidence in having to repeat 3 or 4 times and it does little good for having to endure such a mindset before sitting in for the next oncoming exam.

    Believe me, this is not an easy experience to go through. However, if one has the determination to want to choose to make an improvement to re-evaluate one’s performance under examination condition, then, the CLP is the one qualification for oneself.

    CLP is difficult if one believes that time is not worthed investing in educating oneself to the best of one’s abilities.

    For the enduring and the hardworking, those who passed will tell you that there is no substitute for these ‘two requirements.’

    Without enduring determination and pure hardwork, nothing is possible until and unless the effort put in is totally all yours to own.

    Time will reveal how valuable those efforts are to an individual in legal practice. Not printed notes, not copies of tons of legal cases but pure common sense approach to map out the task ahead to know how to deal with each segment of the question from different angles and perspectives, whether good or bad. Only by completing such tasks, can a candidate be ready to sit for the CLP examination.

    Mere reading and keeping in mind is not sufficient. The examination demands a deliberate understanding and application of the statutory laws and support from case materials and how the results will be applicable in the best common sense approach.

    Therefore, CLP is a very practicial examination and rightfully be sufficient to equip a law candidate to know sufficiently well to know how to apply local law in local circumstances of today’s real life issues.

    That is what makes the CLP a ‘commodity asset’ even though, I personally think this is an over-rated statement.

    As the years passes, you will appreciate how much CLP is shaping your practice. Without the CLP, it is most unlikely, that a more meaningful experience can be obtained whether it be through seminars or etc. since the best time of a law student’s life corresponds to this examination. I had my share of good studies during my CLP days. Wish that the same can be said about the practice. Believe me, it is not a cunning exam meant to fail students. The choice is yours to own becuase that is a credit to your own name which no one can give to you. Make it the best birthday gift you ever had, at least, I own what my efforts have rewarded me, way back 10 years ago. The best time is when completing my chambering and calling to the Bar also happens to coincide with my birthday. No regrets, even if the world falls apart today !

  • 317 milk // Apr 7, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    hi, anyone did BVC in UK? how’s the living cost in UK…thx for the reply

  • 318 Wahoo // Apr 9, 2011 at 10:22 am

    So I heard that taking BVC in UK is so much harder, I want to know how hard is it?

  • 319 P-each // Apr 16, 2011 at 12:46 am

    Hi guys, I am currently doing BVC in UK. Just for your information, it’s no longer called BVC but BPTC. Bar Professional Training Course. BVC is the old term. The living cost in uk? Well… Let’s see… It depends where you wan to study and what kind of living style you wan to live… I am currently studying in Newcastle. The living expenses is much cheaper compared to London.

  • 320 vcrpy // May 3, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    For living expenses in UK, i think 15000 pounds can give u comfy living at some places other than london city. I wouldn’t say BVC is hard but just that it’s more intensive in terms of training compared to CLP. CLP is more academic whereas for BVC you have a lot of advocacy trainings and social events such as dinings etc.

  • 321 milk // May 4, 2011 at 9:38 am

    thx for your reply vcrpy, i m considering whether i should pursue my LLB in malaysia and further BVC in UK….BTW i m thinking of the graduate LLB in University of Tasmania as well..i am wondering whether it is hard to be admitted to the graduate school of University of Tasmania and is it necessary for me to enroll to LSAT since my GPA is mediocre….

    Anyone currently studying in the law school of UTAS?

  • 322 vcrpy // May 4, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Is there any graduate LLB at Utas? Wat i know is that you’ll be exempted for the 1st year of LLB at Utas if you had another degree b4 but still have to complete 3 years of your LLB but unless you’re talking abt doing the twinning programme at KDU then perhaps you’ll save another half year or more since you don’t get longer summer holiday at KDU :) i don’t think you need LSAT to be admitted for UTas…but tat was like many years ago…now i’m not sure. I did my LLB at Utas :)

  • 323 Daniel Too // May 19, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    Hi Eddie, great blog you have here.

    I have a few questions to ask , hope you don’t mind and kindly answer them.
    Currently I’m doing A-levels , sitting for finals. I’m just wondering is it ok for me to study law after A-levels? FYI, I have never touched law, taking pure science in A-levels which I think it is no longer a suitable path for me. I heard people around me saying law is extremely difficult , few said it will be ok if study really hard. To be honest, I’m kind of lost right now trying to know what to study after this. I thought of law because I like history and it sounds interesting to me. But some said debating skills must be good if want to be a lawyer and I’ve never joined any debating club in school or so on. I’m worried , Law is my second choice after Science but it seems so hard. Any advice? Oh, and do you mind recommending a few good law schools? I heard about ATC , what do you think? Pls reply if possible, thx for reading. :)

  • 324 Anne // May 20, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Hey there, m 18years old this year and m about to join ATC to persue A-levels.. and i am curious if i am actually joining the right law school since i m gonna include law subject in my A-levels.
    In addition, i also intend to continue law degree in the same college after i have completed my A-levels.. is this college the right choice?? and how much is the basic salary for a fresh law graduate in the corporate law field in malaysia??
    Thank You.

  • 325 sha // May 21, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    hello everyone:)…i am 18 years old and a science stream student.. I am about to switch stream to arts and I am wondering whether taking up english literature will affect my chances to study law and do UM offer law courses such as corporate law?…Are there any public universities in malaysia that offer corporate law courses?…sorry for my bad english..

  • 326 Shasha // May 24, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    Hello everyone!
    Anybody knows the starting salary of a qualified lawyer in Seremban? Thanks…

  • 327 joanne // May 29, 2011 at 1:06 am

    Hi,

    A friend of mine actually graduated from LLB from Unversity of London (3rd Class). He tried to appeal to sit for CLP but no avenue. Nonetheless, he tried to applied for Banking and Management Industry. Unfortunately, it seems like no one would employed him. Thus, he is unemployed for 2 months. Is there any ways for him to appeal to the Board to enable him to sit for CLP exam. Please advice!

  • 328 witwicky // Jun 2, 2011 at 2:29 am

    hey there.. ermm.. was wondering how much will it cost me to do BVC in UK? cz im currently doin UOL 1st year at BAC..n i mite juz switch to Northumbria open learning.. correct me if im wrong bt as far as i noe, i cant do my clp as northumbria is not recognised for clp..so yea..BVC it is..

  • 329 kim // Jun 25, 2011 at 4:37 am

    Hi,

    I have a post graduate degree in Finance and Financial Law and a degree in economics. If I take the LLB External Program (London) Graduate Entry Route A or B via self study, am I still qualified to sit for the CLP in Malaysia?

  • 330 love law // Aug 1, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Drop by and say Hi to eddie,

    I am currently an A-levels student, may I know whether a student with an external law degree(LLB. UOL 3+0) is up to those who obtain their degree overseas, say for example the (UK LLB. Transfer Degree 2+1 or 1+2)….and for the LLB. UOL external….Is it an LLB.(Hons) degree?

  • 331 shasha // Aug 6, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    hi, i am a second year law student in the university of malaya . i was wondering ,is there any way for me to work overseas upon graduating? perhaps in neigbouring countries like singapore or australia? What are the requirements to work there upon graduating with my degree? Are there any papers to sit for in order to work in those countries as a lawyer?

  • 332 CD // Aug 9, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Am sorry. I think this has been mentioned before. As a non-practising lawyer, do they qualified to become in-house counsel…? handling administration matters..assisting practising lawyer…

  • 333 Eddie Law // Aug 9, 2011 at 10:16 am

    CD – if you only obtain LLB and without admitting to Malaysian Bar, yes, you can apply to work as in-house counsel.

  • 334 autumsnow // Aug 10, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Hello Eddie.

    Just came across this very informative site today! I’ve recently completed my LLB (Hons) and would like to ask for your opinion on a few things that have been bothering me.

    First of all, I’ll be doing the CLP instead of the BPTC. Some people are saying that this is a disadvantage because those that have done BPTC learn a lot more skills. Will it affect my employability especially if I plan to practice in a foreign jurisdiction later on?

    Secondly, what is the importance of having done various attachment programs in law firms ? I know people who are using every opportunity they have during vacations to go for various attachments and having only done one myself back in Year 1, will I be inferior to them when it comes to the competition to get a pupillage in the law firm I want?

    This brings me to my last question: is it advisable to work while doing the CLP? I’ve currently signed up for the full time program but I’m considering doing paralegal work while going for the part time program.

    Thank you very much in advance!

  • 335 Rita // Aug 16, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Hi,this is Rita. For your information, I’m a STPM candidate in 2012. I’m going to take Law in future,so there are some questions that I wanted to know about Laws.

    1. Is Sejarah a compulsory subject for a Law student?
    2. English proficiency must be at least Band 5 or 6 (MUET)?

    Actually I wasn’t sure about my future career, but I love reading,investigating & doing some researches. I think, Law should be fine. What can your advice for those who’re not sure about taking law as their 1st choice? Thanks.

  • 336 amany // Aug 27, 2011 at 8:21 am

    hi Eddie :)

    I’m very much interested to become a solicitor. I’m currently studying at a local university.

    I wanna ask, after I completed my LLB, what path should I take in order to become a solicitor?

    and also, are law graduates from local universities need to take CLP too?

    thanks in advance, Eddie!

  • 337 CD // Aug 29, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    Hmm..Does a diploma from Singapore in Paralegal studies entitled us to sit for CLP papers?

  • 338 Hannah Amr // Sep 18, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    How bout me? I am a foundation student and will ended my study this December. Do i allow to do CLP? Any suggestion for me?

  • 339 rachel // Oct 6, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    if, i were to complete my law degree in the uk(twinning programme) and continue to do my masters there, which apparently is possible and takes up an extra 4 months or so, if i return to malaysia must i still take the CLP?

    i hope to clear this matter up so if anyone could help me out with this, thx

  • 340 rachel // Oct 6, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    also, if i am called to the bar in the uk, will i be exempted from having to take the CLP?

  • 341 DL // Oct 14, 2011 at 12:29 am

    Sha – Hey there! I’m a recent graduate of UM and I would love to answer your query above (No.325) pertaining to my alma mater. There’s no such thing as corporate law course by itself but UM does offer company law as one of the compulsory subjects which you will undertake in your third year (subject to revision)! I hope that helps. :)

    Rita – I would love to answer your 2 queries too (No.335). Nope, sejarah is not a compulsory subject at all if you want to read law in any of the public universities. You can even be a science stream student to take up law! As for MUET, I got a band 4 but I was still offered a place in UM. ;) So, it’s not necessary for you to get a band 6. Having said that, UM could have revised its intake requirement and I strongly reckon that you should strive for a band 5 at least. :) All the best!

  • 342 Dr.h.khoshzaban // Oct 24, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    I visited your veb , very interesting and useful.
    Im coming here to get more information about job in malaysia .however Im studying Ph.D in Law in India.Then What You think ?
    (and Im from Iran )
    Thanks I hop see You face 2 fase in Malaysia

  • 343 RS // Oct 28, 2011 at 12:29 am

    Hi Eddie, are there any scholarships granted by any law firms in relation to BPTC?

  • 344 KK // Oct 30, 2011 at 10:27 am

    hi,i would like to ask ur advise…im 28 this year,i oni have SPM & started working after dat…but have realied that the salary i earn in not enough…i have been recently considering to continue my studies to earn more & to have maybe a better & secure future…i have been working in sales & hospitality…but m considering now to continue my studies either in Law or Business…cant decide…& i would have to quit my current job to study law full time..isit too late for me to do law now? & wats ur advise financially if i do study for law..i feel law is more secure than studying business…wat do u think? thanks

  • 345 Eddie Law // Oct 31, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Sorry there is no law firm giving out scholarship at the moment.

  • 346 Ying // Nov 3, 2011 at 1:36 am

    hey eddie!this is a very good blog!!
    i just wanna know if they are any difference in salaries for pupils in a firm?like if one chambering student has better results/qualifications than the other one or every chambee is offered the same salary if accepted?

  • 347 Eddie Law // Nov 3, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    All pupils in a firm generally will be offerred the same allowance, however, I do come across pupil who has some substantial years of working experience and her allowance is more than the rest of the pupils in the same firm.

  • 348 Wendy // Nov 9, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    Hi, Eddie!

    I just wonder how a Malaysian lawyer could practise as a foreign lawyer in other jurisdictions such as Singapore, China or Hong Kong. I presume that one is required to be a qualified lawyer who is entitled to practise Malaysian law outside Malaysia in order to register as a foreign lawyer. However, technically, Malaysian lawyers are not entitled to practise Malaysian law without a valid practising certificate issued by the Malaysian Bar Council (under the Legal Profession Act). Further, practising certificate would only be issued to an advocate and solicitor who is attached to a Malaysian law firm. Would appreciate it if you could clarify this.

    Thank you very much.

  • 349 Eddie Law // Nov 10, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Hi Wendy,

    Malaysian lawyer will need to be admitted to the Bar of the recpective country in order to practice law there. In order to do so, the lawyer must pass the qualifying exams in the respective country. However, I know some Malaysian lawyer are working as foreign lawyer in Singapore, in this case, they don’t have to be admitted to the Bar there.

  • 350 samhlai // Nov 16, 2011 at 8:00 am

    Hi Eddie,

    I’m a medical doctor with degree in medicine. I ‘m in the midst of planning to pursue law as my second degree. what is your advice? what is the prospect for doctor with a law degree? what are the job opportunities out there in law firm / insurance company/lecturer in university or etc? Thank you :)

  • 351 Yoong Chee Seng // Nov 20, 2011 at 12:10 am

    Sir/Mdm/Ms.

    Good evening. Would appreciate if you could please adivse regarding 2 law universities please.

    Q1: Can a Malaysian LLB student studing in NUS (S’pore) with Third Class Degree admit/enrol to Malaysian Bar & get qualified as a lawyer in Malaysia?

    Q2: Can a Malaysian LLB student stuyding in Cardiff University (UK) with Third Class Degree admit/enrol in Malaysian Bar & get qualified as a lawyer in Malaysia?

    Q3: Is the LLB & BPTC taught in Cardiff University (UK) recognised by Malaysian government?

    Thank-you & hope to receive your reply soon.

  • 352 Raymond Chu // Nov 23, 2011 at 8:02 am

    Law must be and is still very relevant in our lives, whether we like it or not.

    The answer to all the above questions is like taking a journey to a destination.

    Until we reached the destination, there is no certainty whether we will ever reach the destination in the way we choose for ourselves.

    Maybe, that is what makes the route to law and the law in our lives so interesting to begin with.

  • 353 Juker // Dec 1, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    Is there any chances for UiTM ADIL graduate to practice law in foreign country? I’m thinking of Australia to be exact.

  • 354 John // Dec 3, 2011 at 8:01 am

    I’m from Sarawak, currently doing my bar in UK.

    After completion of the BPTC and becoming a Barrister in England and Wales, I would like to go back to Sarawak to practice.

    Based on my understanding, Sarawak Assembly and Courts are using English only.

    Therefore, I’m wondering whether it’s one of the entry requirement for one to have a SPM Bahasa Malaysia credit to be admitted to Sarawak Court?

  • 355 xuanmin // Dec 5, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Hi,

    I would like to ask is BAC/ATC/Taylor’s better to pursue my LLB after A Level.Anyone with experience studying in BAC?

  • 356 amelia // Dec 5, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Hi,

    May I ask which COLLEGE is better for me to pursue LLB?
    BAC/ATC/Taylor’s?
    Anyone have experience reading law there?

  • 357 Raveena Kaur // Dec 5, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Hello there, I have just completed my South Australian Matriculation programme and I am thinking of pursuing Law as a career.However,I am unsure about the career prospects that Law has to provide.I hope you would kindly provide my with some detailed examples of career choices that I would have with a LLB degree in Malaysia.Apart from that,I would also like to ask for your opinion about which LLB programme should I enrol in.I have 2 options which are the LLB UK Transfer Programme(2+1) or the University of London External Programme(3+0) whereby all 3 years are completed fully in Malaysia.As we all know,the costs of studying in UK is extremely high and is especially burderning for my mother who is a single mother.However, after consulting a caunselor from a famous Law college,he informed me that if I were to complete my degree fully in Malaysia,I would have to achieve a minimum of a Second Class Lower to get my LLB degree and anything below that will cause me to fail my entire degree and not be able to re-sit my examination.This has caused alot of pressure for me.There is alot running through my mind as I would not want to burden my mother by taking the 2+1 programme although it only requires a pass to obtain the LLB degree.The stakes are high,and I am in complete dillema.I hope that you would be kind enough to answer my questions and hopefully resolve my confusions.A big thank you in advance.

  • 358 Ryan Lim // Dec 8, 2011 at 5:35 am

    Hi, I would like to inquire about the job prospects of a Malaysian lawyer as of 2011. I see many job ads for Litigators and Conveyancing lawyers in the newspapers and websites but how is the remuneration like? Also, any suggestions on good firms to chamber in?

    Thank you!

  • 359 Eddie Law // Dec 8, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Hi Ryan – legal talents in KL are always in demand and I can see the entry level salary scale is at rapid increasing trend (as compare with some other industry). You can contact us for recommendation of firm to do chambering as certian firms would have thier respective strenghts in terms of area of practice. You visit my website http://www.elawyer.com.my to know more about the current openings and our contact details.

  • 360 Ryan Lim // Dec 8, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Thanks Eddie.

    You mentioned about the rapid increasing trend of salary. Could you give me a ballpark figure?

  • 361 Eddie Law // Dec 9, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Ryan – after one called to the Bar, the starting monthly salary is about RM2.8k to RM3.5k. It was only RM2.8k – RM3k last year. Now some firms are paying RM3.5k/month.

  • 362 Ryan Lim // Dec 10, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Thanks Eddie. Much appreciated :)

  • 363 Alston Tay // Dec 12, 2011 at 12:54 am

    Hi Eddie,

    I am a student now and I am hesitated that whether should I go Uni. in UK or Australia.Because I visited the malaysianbar website and it does not mention about any universities in UK and only mention about recognise the law degree in Uni. in Australia and New Zealand.What is your advice and is UK degree recognised by our Malaysia Bar Council??

    Thank you.

  • 364 Lucas // Dec 13, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Hi Eddie,

    I’m just a secondary school student wondering does science-stream and art-stream(form 4) have anything to do with me wanting to become a lawyer

  • 365 Eddie Law // Dec 13, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    Hi Lucas – I think art-stream is more relevant.

  • 366 Eddie Law // Dec 13, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Alston – of course UK degree is recognised but not all the universities. for the latest list of universities pls got it from the legal qualifying board or from the relevant college who offer law course.

  • 367 Lucas // Dec 14, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Hi Eddie,

    Thanks for the advise but, can you please explain to me what does art-stream have to do with law…the subjects in this stream (akaun dan perdagangan,basic subjects) shows no relativity to law…what is it in the art-stream that I need so that I have a better future towards law

  • 368 vcrpy // Dec 15, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    hi john (No.354), bahasa melayu is NOT a requirement for admission of legal practice in sarawak. The only requirement is sarawak connection and chambering for 12 months with a master.

  • 369 Alan // Dec 17, 2011 at 1:47 am

    hi eddie, i am currently a secondary school teacher. i m 27 next year, is it too late to be a lawyer? i intend to do distance learning of llb from university of london, is tat uni exists and recognised ? hope someone could help me. i am sick of a low-paying profession

  • 370 Eddie Law // Dec 17, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Alan – 27 is definitely not too old to go for law, for your information, in Malaysia the oldest law graduate who I heard of is about 70. I also have a personal friend who was called to the Bar at his 40s. So if you have the passion in law, just go for it.

  • 371 Eddie Law // Dec 17, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Lucas – when i said art-stream is relevant was not referred to the requirement of admission to law school, I am referring to the subjects like history, languages subject which are relevant to law subject studying.

  • 372 Eddie Law // Dec 17, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Amelia – ATC is reputable for conducting the London external programme, on another hand, Taylor’s & BAC is reputable in conducting twinning programme. I never studied in neither of these 3 law school, hence, not able to comment much.

  • 373 Alston Tay // Dec 27, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    the legal qualifying board can be refer to which website? is it this?
    http://www.lawyerment.com.my/library/doc/stu/schools/1000000-3.shtml

  • 374 Fara Afiqa // Jan 1, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    Thank you veryyy much for ur information .

  • 375 Raymond Chu // Jan 2, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    Thought of revisiting this website again.

    Happy New Year 2012 and may every dream come true for all, including myself !

  • 376 TroubledSingleParent // Jan 3, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Hi Eddie,

    Not sure which blog to ask this, so I just choose this…

    Can a client discharge lawyer ? And on what ground able to discharge? if the lawyer is disagreeable to it, is the discharge still workable?

    There seems not much information on this portion of the legal profession. Hence leading to a breed of ineffective lawyer out there practicing, and bringing bad name to the profession.

    Hope you can enlighten us all non-lawyer.
    And Happy New Year 2012!

  • 377 elaine // Jan 7, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    i’m a secondary student and i’m interest with law…now i am waiting for my spm result …so, if i wants to become a lawyer .did i needs to get the A level or continue to pre-u (stpm) ? which one is better?

  • 378 freethinker // Jan 13, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Hi,

    Good Day!
    I am a second year 1st sem law student in a local public uni.
    I m thinking to attach in any law firms as I think I will sure learn something no matter which firm I am heading to, right?

    Besides, I would like to know how to prepare myself for an attachment interview?

    Thanks

  • 379 Eddie Law // Jan 16, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Hi Elaine – if you wish to study in local uni then you should do STPM, otherwise, A-level is sufficient

  • 380 ling // Jan 20, 2012 at 1:36 am

    hi, i m currently an undergraduate psychology student. i would love to pursue a career in law and am currently looking to do a GDL programme in australia. i was wondering if such a programme would qualify me to practice law in malaysia? and if so, what would be the subsequent course of action after GDL?
    thank you very much for your kind help.

  • 381 Aud W // Jan 30, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Hi,

    I graduated with Bachelor of Laws (University of London) programme. I intend to take up Graduate Diploma in Legal Practice in Queensland University of Technology, Brisbane.

    Will I be able to be admitted to the Bar in Sabah?
    And what about taking the Bar in New Zealand? Will the result be the same?

  • 382 Marilyn // Jan 30, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Hi,

    I would just like to seek some views on my chances of getting hired by a mid to top tier firms in today’s competitive job market, assuming I could only manage to obtain an unfortunate 2:2 law degree (uol external)? Is it still possible or would my applications just get binned? Are there any other factors hiring firms would consider other than good grades (e.g. 2:1 and above)?

    I have a finance qualification as well as working experience, just not in the legal profession/industry. Would that better my chances?

    Thank you kindly.

  • 383 Eddie Law // Jan 30, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Hi Marilyn – generally top tier firms are looking for 2:1 and above when recruiting pupil, however, this is not all the case as they will look at other factors as well, e.g. command of English, communication skill, attidutes, previous working experience, if any & etc. I personally know a 2:2 candidate sured a pupillage position in one of the large firm.

  • 384 Marilyn // Jan 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Many thanks Eddie for your prompt reply. It is certainly comforting to know that its not the end yet. But still, I understand that it would surely be tough. I have actually yet to complete my degree, but I made a real mess of my second year and had been worried ever since (although holding a full time job while studying is no excuse). Well, hopefully I can pull a miracle in my final year enough to secure a 2:1.

    Thanks again Eddie!

  • 385 deen // Feb 2, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Hi Eddie,

    I recieved the march intake to study foundation in law at MSU (Management and Science University Shah Alam). I’m very interested in the field of law. However, is the university and the course recognized by JPA or malaysia legal proffesion?

  • 386 Alice // Feb 10, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Hi,

    I’m enrolled in a LLB programme of an Australian university. I did badly – failed some of my papers more than twice. I’m currently in my 2nd year.
    Now, I’m not sure if I should complete the programme – considering that I will be left with a very low GPA even if I manage to complete the rest of the papers well.
    Could you please advise. Thanks.

  • 387 divya // Feb 10, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    im a maticulation student…im not sure what course should i choose…law or accounting….my dad wants me to pursue law because i learnt mandarin..he said that i can get high pay and its a professional job…can you give me adivce on this? and which public university is best to pursue law…UKM or UM??

  • 388 divya // Feb 10, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    When i have my law degree, must i work in the court? is it compulsary? is there any other job??

  • 389 ct // Feb 13, 2012 at 1:25 am

    hye.. im just graduated in bachelor of legal studies in one of ipta in msia.. i think i wouldnt pursue my LLB programmes because im not really interested to become a lawyer.. can u give any suggestion what jobs can i apply based on my qualifications? thanks for helping me.. :)

  • 390 Kuen // Feb 13, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    By any chance, anyone knows what is the passing rate for Bachelor Of Jurisprudence offered by UM?

  • 391 cammy // Feb 15, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Hi Eddie,

    I suddenly found this site and wish to ask for your advise too. I’m currently working in a legal firm with 6 years of experience in conveyancing. Many of my clients do ask me to take a course in law but I only have SPM qualification. Do you think I should go for it?

  • 392 Roland // Feb 25, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    Hi,

    For a LLB graduate with 1 year diploma + 2 years degree qualification, can he practice as a lawyer in Malaysia?

  • 393 MARCUS NG CHEN YUEN // Mar 14, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    is LPC in England accepted by Malaysian Bar??
    the bar exam is more difficult or easier if compared to CLP in malysia??

  • 394 Sharon // Mar 16, 2012 at 12:19 am

    hello eddie,

    Pls your advise and candid opinion at this time is highly appreciate, i am an Associate Institute of Chartered Secretretaries & Administrators, currently am pursuing a law degree now am in 500 level (i.e. 5th yr), am considering relocating to malaysia to finish up and work there, hope i would be able to get a university i can transfer to and finish there also do my law school. Pls respond as i intend relocating in less than 4months. Thank u very much

  • 395 Eddie Law // Mar 16, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Hi Sharon if you are not a Malaysian citizen then you should read this article about foreigner admission to Malaysian Bar: http://www.elawyer.com.my/blog/a-consideration-for-foreign-practitioners-entering-the-legal-profession-in-malaysia/

  • 396 Eddie Law // Mar 16, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Marcus – I did not sit for the BVC/LPC hence I am not sure what are their syllabus. As for CLP, the assessment is purely written exam based.

  • 397 Eddie Law // Mar 16, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Hi Cammy – if you has passion to be a lawyer, then you should go for it.

  • 398 Raymond Chu // Mar 16, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    The qualification under the Legal Profession Act 1976 is very strict. Only the listed class of qualifications are allowed to be eligible under the Qualifying Board and the recognised Universities thereto.

    For other law programmes, think best to seek advice and documentary support with their respective course director/s concerning the recognition of their courses with the Qualifying Board on the entry qualification to be a lawyer in this country.

  • 399 leave a comment // Mar 21, 2012 at 4:48 am

    Hi bloggers,
    Im an UOL external LlB graduate..my exams were hundred percent papers orientated..I have very little exposure to Malaysian law..currently working in call centre earning 3.5k..CLP have crossed my mind,yet the financial n commitment restraints myself..
    Could u plz advice me what r de wide opportunities for llb graduates such as corporate lawyers n other career paths?
    And what r their round up income?
    Abroad is not an option.

  • 400 Steve // Mar 22, 2012 at 12:16 am

    Hi, as you mention that we need to take an exam after pupillage, what is that? because my school never tell me about this. In addition, if I take LPC in UK, can I be a qualified lawyer in Malaysia? What are the criterion? Many Thanks.

  • 401 Yasmin // Mar 26, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    i’m spm leaver, and i’m highly interested to further my studies in law field, ever since i was in primary school!

    basically i know that there are many different types of lawyers, right? so can you explain to me more about this and what types of lawyer has the highest income and constantly in high demand in malaysia?

  • 402 Rookie91 // Mar 30, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    Hi,
    I’m currently a 1st year student for 2+1 law. I just wondered that if I am interested in corporate law sector, which optional subjects am I recommended to take? Company law? Intellectual property? If one is to be a foreign lawyer, will it be enough as long as they have their LLB(Hons) together with CLP? Or do they need to have a BVC in order to practice as a foreign lawyer? Thank you.

  • 403 Kimberly // Apr 5, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Hello Eddie,

    I’m currently in a dilemma on where to pursue my Law degree. Its either i go on to INTI to do the UK Law Transfer Program or to do it locally in ATC instead. What would you recommend? Its a given that doing it overseas would be rather hard on the pocket but I’ve only just heard of ATC and am unsure on whether its degree is as good as was said. Because most of what I’ve heard of its is in relation to the CLP and not to its degree. Please advise because I’m really stuck in a rut at the moment.

    Thank you.

  • 404 Richard // Apr 7, 2012 at 6:37 am

    Eddie,

    I am a third year law student in England, who is also a Sarawakian. I applied to do BPTC, but prefer LPC. I don’t want to practice in West Malaysia. I tried to look for the law regulate Sarawak lawyer, but I couldn’t find the Advocate Ordinance Sarawak 1953 online. I found a source stated that a solicitor in England can be admitted to practice in Sarawak, but the publication date was 1998, not sure whether it’s still relevant or not. It’s not easy to get information about becoming a lawyer in Sarawak.

    Is LPC in England accepted in Sarawak? Your advice will be much appreciated. Thanks.

  • 405 syahmi // Apr 7, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    hai, does anyone know the fee per year for taking Bachelor Of Jurisprudence (external) at Universiti Malaya??

  • 406 Noarh // Jun 11, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Hi,

    I am currently studying my 2nd year of Accounting degree in Australia , my question is can a accountant be a lawyer (solicitor) at the same time ?I am interested in doing a double degree with law.

    My dad want me to work for our family business ,is it posibble for a accountant or lawyer to hold a internal position or some sort of position in anyway in his family business ?(such as director or accountant)

    Thank you.

    Kind regards,
    Noarh

  • 407 Bryant // Jun 15, 2012 at 2:24 am

    Hi to all guys here. I am a STPM leaver and desire to take law so much. Unfortunately, I did not scored well in my STPM exam but this never make me give up of talking law. Although I’m still waiting for Local University, but then I never expect I will be offered a seat there. Instead, I make myself second way to fulfill my dream by considering Malaysia Private University. Is it the right decision I made? And any suggestion about the private university that I can choose to take LL.B program? I appreciate well your answer given. Thank sincerity…

  • 408 stupefy // Jun 17, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    Bryant:
    Do you have any financial constraint at the moment?If not,then degree tansfer programme which is offered by certain private uni in Msia such as INTI,HELP and Taylor’s may be quite a good choice.You will be able to study overseas and get the exposure while graduate from a prestigious university.If there is financial problem,then you might want to try up MMU,which also offers LLB programme and you will not be required to take CLP in order to practise in Msia.It is also quite cost efficient.

  • 409 Bryant // Jun 18, 2012 at 2:14 am

    Stupefy :
    Thanks guy for you answer. Yes, of course I face financial constraint. I noticed the high cost-fee for INTI, HELP as well as Taylor. Bro, how about the teaching staff and the quality for Brickfield Asian College? I had considered there before. It looks nice, but I worry about my wrong decision. Can you tell me about this?

  • 410 jane // Jul 17, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Hi eddie, i read somewhere in the comment that Singapore legal firms want to hire Malaysian lawyer’s as foreign lawyer. However, I heard that Singapore do not recognize any of our LLB whether it is UK transfer degree or UOL external programe. Hence, we can’t practice in Singapore. If so, what type of qualifications are those firms looking for? Hope to hear from you soon.

  • 411 Cassie // Jul 26, 2012 at 12:29 am

    I’m a to-be-student in UM, taking law. Can I know whether i will be able to join other activities actively? And, is it good to work under government as if i’m bonded to the contract? Or, it’s better for me to work with private company?

  • 412 Siva // Aug 15, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Dear Eddi,

    I gestated in 1997 with the LLB degree from wales. However I had no interest to do my CLP then. I went on to lecture and subsequently did my MBA instead. However the last 3 years I have joined a law firm and am doing in house matters. Of recent I have been thinking of doing my CLP or at least be qualified to represent clients in court. Is there ny way I am able to be registered to the Bar without aving to do the CLP or chambeng?

  • 413 Alvin // Sep 1, 2012 at 8:32 am

    eddie,for any individuals who are willing to practise law in malaysia,would it be the best for them to take up jurisprudence programme in local universities such as UM and then sit for the CLP examination?

    Also,is the CLP examination more sided to malaysian law as i heard that most of the people who fail the CLP are UOL external graduates exposed more to foreign law which makes them fail easily in CLP.Note:the passing rate in CLP is between 15-20% only.

  • 414 katpagam // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    hi eddie,

    need some advise from you. what are the career opportunities available for llb graduates. i dont have the intention to do clp. tq

  • 415 Edwina // Oct 7, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Hi Eddie,

    I have a question. I am 31 yrs old and interested in pursuing Law, but do I need to take the longer route which is LLB then CLP or can I just take the London External Programme and then sit for my CLP?

  • 416 Latha // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Hi Sir Eddie, It is truly interesting to read all the faq’s. What is the career path in order to become a DPP. Let’s say completed SPM must the person take STPM and enter local U. Please advise.

  • 417 Vanessa // Nov 4, 2012 at 7:01 am

    Hi Eddie,

    I’m a third year law student at University of Bristol and upon graduation I plan on staying here to do the LPC and to hopefully obtain a training contract here. On the chance that I fail to get a job here and have to go back to Malaysia, do I have to go through the whole process of doing my CLP and then chambering or is the LPC accepted and I only have to do my pupilage? I can’t seem to find any information about this on any of the websites so if you please help me with this?

  • 418 kee // Feb 4, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    if want to be a lawyer
    am i need to study until the degree level??

  • 419 Alana // Mar 1, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    Hi, I am currently waiting for my spm results, would you advise me to take law A-levels or a foundation in law?

  • 420 Amani // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Hi Eddie ! May I know what’s the subjects in high school that matters / important to become a lawyer ? Thank you :)

  • 421 Eddie Law // Mar 14, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Hi Amani – I would say English, BM, History & Math. Languages are the most crucial in legal practice as you need to get across your idea effectively via language. History will train your understanding of fact and Mathematics will train your analytically skill.

  • 422 Eddie Law // Mar 14, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Hi Kee – yes, you need to have law degree from recognized universities and also professional qualification if you are not graduated from local universities.

  • 423 Haziq // Mar 21, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Hi Mr Eddie. I am an engineering student in diploma level. i am interested to be a lawyer since i was in high school. i think i want further my study in bachelor law after this. do you think it i still can achieving my dream even i am a bit late for that?

  • 424 Jon Choong // Mar 29, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Hi Eddie Law,
    Im finishing my A-levels soon, i have decided to pursue a law degree but im not sure if i should go to UK or Australia for the degree.

    I have gotten offers to study in Queen Mary University of London and University of Nottingham, if I end up in Australia it would be UNSW for me (Joint degree, Law+ Commerce)

    I find that Australian Universities offer a better teaching than the traditional UK style.

  • 425 Lee // Mar 30, 2013 at 12:37 am

    hi eddie just saw this site and i think it is useful . :)
    I got A+ in BI general paper and even 1A in 1119 GCE-O level.but my first language is mandarin and I can hardly speak english.Is it alright for me who have bad speaking skill to study law?

  • 426 Eddie Law // Apr 1, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    Hi Lee – to be honest your English Language result is far more better than me. So if lawyering is your dream, go for it. I am pretty sure with efforts, you could pick up the speaking / conversational skill later with the English speaking environment in colleges. I was also hardly could speak a single English word and hardly could understand my law lecturer during my initial few weeks in law school. But I made it a point to hang around with classmates who speak English, and I was not shy for making mistakes. At the end, with hard works and persistence, I graduated with 2nd class upper (2:1) in law from the UK. Only 2 Asian law students scored 2:1 during my year. There is a WILL, there is a WAY.

  • 427 Eddie Law // Apr 1, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Hi Jon – I did not study in Australia, hence, not too sure about the environment. For future career purpose, I believe it may not make must different if you only intend to practice in Malaysia.

  • 428 Eddie Law // Apr 1, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Sure Haziq – there is a WILL, there is a WAY. I always salute dream chaser!

  • 429 Eddie Law // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Hi Edwina – London External Programme will lead you to LLB at the end.

  • 430 Jon Choong // Apr 2, 2013 at 12:08 am

    U just replied my comment. i do not understand you :(

    “Hi Jon – I did not study in Australia, hence, not too sure about the environment. For future career purpose, I believe it may not make must different if you only intend to practice in Malaysia.”

  • 431 delilahkelly // Apr 12, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    hi. I really wanna know bout the path to become real estate attorney in Malaysia. I’m doing research on this job but I don’t get much. I hope there will be anyone to help me on this. thank you..

  • 432 Eddie Law // Nov 12, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Dear all – do register for my 1st webinar on legal career which will be held on this Saturday 16 Nov at 10am. For more info, please click the link here: http://www.laweddie.com/wordpress/legal-career-webinar-what-can-you-do-with-a-law-degree-an-overview-of-the-career-paths-in-the-malaysian-legal-industry/

  • 433 Winnie // Nov 29, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Hey I’m Winnie from Malaysia. I’ve just graduated my secondary school and would want to pursue law in the future. However I dont really have in-depth understanding in this field. About what do I actually study, is it really so hard as what the others described, and anything that is related to it. I dont wannna have any regrets and so could anyone just give me a briefing about this? I need experienced folks to give me a hand, thank you! :’)

  • 434 show // Dec 28, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    hi, i am going to take my law degree in MMU melaka. if i m not mistaken, the law degree is all about malaysian legal system. so, is it possible for me to practice law in other countries or further my master of laws in other countries?

  • 435 sea see // Jun 10, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    Dear All and Eddie Law,
    Hi , I’m a graduated university of london law student who ended up in 3rd class qualification. I do have a question and issue wish to get clarification from your advise
    1. whether a person with 5 or more years legal working experience eligible sit for CLP exam?
    2. IF Q.1 answers is “Not” May I knw what is the alternative way for me to be a legal practitioner?

    Thank you

  • 436 Raymond Chu // Jun 12, 2014 at 2:07 pm

    May I ask what legal working experiences are you currently having.

    Actually, all that one has to do is to approach the Legal Qualifying Board and check for the admission criterias of your first degree qualification.

    I think there is no demarcation between the type of class of honours which a graduate is bestowed on the entry route criterias of a LL.B (external) London into CLP qualification.

    If there is, then, the same will apply to local graduates who also pass out with the LL.B respectively.

    But, the more important aspect which I think you are trying to highlight is whether working experiences with legal sector ( private or public) will be relevant for admission criterias into CLP.

    So far, I think the Qualifying Board do not prejudice graduates with or without such relevant working experience.

    But, you have raised a valid point though.
    In my limited capacity being a private practitioner, I would say, 5 years in a legal firm is a lot of experiences.

    One learns more than a chambering pupil would have learned in 9 months. Good that you brought this up. But, you can do better by writing to the Legal Qualifying Board and maybe, the Bar Council. Chambering pupils need to buck-up because memories of volumes of legal studies are best retained by students, something which even legal practitioners take for granted. Keep up the good effort and take your bold stand, if you think you are right !

  • 437 James // Jun 28, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    Hi, am 45, have been in IT industry for 20 years, working in areas like services and sales. I have interest in law, and have this dream of going back to college to study to get a degree in Law, then go back to my IT to be the legal adviser/counsel. i would like to know:
    - is this practical? is my pass experience in relevant to my job?
    - how will the pay like ? am not greedy, a RM25K pay is good enough for me.
    Thank you.

  • 438 Eddie Law // Jun 30, 2014 at 10:22 am

    Hi James, you may pursue law to accomplish your dream, but making RM25k per month will be Extremely difficult for a fresh law graduate though with relevant IT experience. Put yourself in the shoe of an employer, with RM25k per month, he can have the option of hiring a senior lawyer who has vast experience in IT legal works.

  • 439 jam // Jul 26, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    Hi Eddie,

    I never sit for stpm or A levels prior to my business degree. And I’m now thinking to pursue a law degree from UOL, if I obtain LLB from UOL, am I eligible for CLP? Thx

  • 440 Cornelius // Aug 1, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    Hi Eddie,
    Can I use UEC certificate direct entry to universities in Ireland? I mean Ireland

  • 441 Subatra // Oct 9, 2014 at 1:13 am

    I would like to know whether at the current market, law would be a good/profitable course to take? My friend, he took LCCI currently and planning for LLB. What would be your advice?

  • 442 Eddie Law // Oct 9, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    Good lawyer always has no worry about living a comfortable life.

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